MR. W. W. GRENVILLE TO LORD TEMPLE.

Pall Mall, Saturday, Dec. 7th, 1782.

My dear Brother,

I received your packet late on Thursday night, or rather, I

believe, early on Friday morning. As soon as I was up I sent the

enclosed letter to Lord Shelburne and to Townshend. I received

from Lord Shelburne an answer appointing me in an hour's time.

When I went there, after waiting a considerable time (which I

can easily excuse when I reflect upon the business of this

moment), I was shown into a room, where he was with Townshend.

It is difficult for me to say whether I was more surprised or

mortified at his telling me, as soon as I came in, that he could

only see me for a minute or two. He then entered upon the

subject of your letter, by saying that he had not read Mr.

Townshend's despatches, but only your letter to himself and the

bill which you enclosed to Townshend. With respect to the bill,

he said nothing could be done without consulting the Chancellor

and the other lawyers of the Cabinet; that I must see the

Chancellor, and explain the business to him; that the rendering

a judgment null might be objected to. I answered that I was

persuaded _that_ was the part on which you was least bent, and

that you would be fully satisfied if the enacting clause went

only to prevent any future decisions, provided the preamble

expressed the principle. To this he said, that it was impossible

to go on if everything of this sort made a necessity for new

measures, and that when a ground was once taken, it ought to be

stood to. My answer was, that your ground was very materially

changed, and that this overturned the only reasoning upon which

you had been able to go on at all, namely, the pledging your own

personal faith, and the honour of Government here, that the

repeal of the G. I. was considered as a renunciation on the part

of Great Britain of all legislation and jurisdiction. He asked

whether I meant external as well as internal? I said,

undoubtedly. He said, that he had understood from your

conversation before you went, "that you meant to make your stand

upon the external legislation;" and for this he appealed to

Townshend, who said he had understood the same. It was

impossible for me to contradict this, as it referred to

conversations to which I was no party. He said that he thought

you was reasonable upon the subject of the dissolution, and that

this other business was not to be taken up suddenly. I asked

what then he wished me to do. He told me to wait upon the

Chancellor. I objected that the question was not a legal one,

but wholly political. I urged the consequences of delay. Still,

however, I could get no answer from him, but only that I must go

to the Chancellor; and at last he grew so impatient as to leave

the room while I was talking, and to tell Townshend that he

might find him in his (Lord Shelburne's) office. The whole

conversation did not last above four or five minutes at the

utmost. I turned to Townshend, and asked him if he thought it

possible that the Government of Ireland could go on in this

manner. He pressed me to go to the Chancellor, and said that he

could tell me, _en ami_, that I should do more good there in

three minutes than I could do elsewhere in as many hours.

By the way, I must say here, that by some inaccuracy I must have

explained myself very ill to you about Townshend, who seems to

me to have acted the most friendly and honest part towards you

in the course of the whole business, and who has sacrificed his

time to me for an hour or an hour and a half for several days;

while during the fortnight I have now been here, I have not seen

Lord Shelburne for twenty minutes in the whole.

I have been very particular in detailing the above conversation

to you, because I think it opens two things of infinite

importance to your personal comfort and your personal honour. I

think it extremely plain that the object of Lord Shelburne is to

gain time, and that let me press ever so eagerly, _which I shall

not fail to do_, still I am not to expect any final answer till

the negotiation is settled, and the peace, which they evidently

look upon as certain, is secured and announced. What effect

these delays may have in Ireland, and what appearance this state

of uncertainty must bear to those who know the proposal you have

made, you are best able to judge, but I know enough of it to be

very much alarmed. But the second consideration affects me much

more, as I think it affects your honour, and my own as involved

with it. What I mean is this: I threw out to you in my former

letters that Lord Shelburne appears to me much more disposed to

narrow than to extend the rights and concessions yielded to

Ireland by Great Britain. I think when you compare the evident

reluctance he showed to agree to the resolutions first proposed;

his telling me that he had thought of a paragraph in the King's

Speech to do instead of them; his then showing me a paragraph

relating merely to commercial advantages, and his telling me we

were not ripe for the word rights; when you compare all this

with his evident dislike to this bill, and with the expression

stated above about external legislation, it is not very

difficult to collect that he means to do nothing till we have

peace, and when we have, he means, to use his own expression, to

make the stand upon that point.

Possibly I may agree with him, that it might have been well for

the general interest of the empire if that ground had originally

been explained, decisively taken and maintained. But I am sure I

know too well the situation of that country and of this, to

think that it can now be held out without the most fatal

consequences to both; and I think I know your feelings too well

to imagine that you will suffer yourself to be made an

instrument of deceiving any man or body of men whatever, still

less a whole country, especially in contradiction to the

language which you have invariably held, at least as far as I

can recollect (ever since you accepted of your situation), both

to people in Ireland and to Government here, that the repeal was

a complete renunciation.

It is a singular pleasure to me to observe how exactly our ideas

have hitherto corresponded since I left you; so that while you

have been taking your measures in Ireland, I have been

recommending the same to you from hence. If they should continue

to do so in this instance, the line of conduct which I apprehend

would be proper for us to adopt on our different posts is this.

I am to see the Chancellor to-morrow, and immediately upon

leaving him mean to write to Lord Shelburne, pressing him again

most eagerly to allow me an opportunity of stating to him _at

length_ what I have in commission to say to him from you. If he

should comply, I will then go into the whole state of Ireland;

will mention to him the credit which ought to be given to

representations proceeding from you, in preference to those of

interested individuals; will enlarge upon the necessity of

decision; and will press that a Cabinet may be held in

performance of Townshend's promise to me. In the meantime, I

should think you would do well to write a letter to Townshend,

stating your ideas upon the necessity of good faith, and the

impossibility of resistance, even upon the ground of simple

repeal, still more upon the more narrow one of external

legislation; and desiring an explicit answer _from the Cabinet_

on these points. This, if you would entrust me with it, I would

suppress in case the Cabinet should have met and come to any

satisfactory decision; and if not, I would deliver it to

Townshend, with every personal expression to him of regard, &c.,

&c.

The advantages which I propose by this conduct, and the mode of

reasoning upon which I support it, are as follows: In the first

place, if it is really their intention to reserve the external

legislation, the sooner you know it, and are able to wash your

hands of it completely, by returning to England, the more

popular you will be in Ireland, and the better ground you will

have here, both to your own conscience, and as a man who may be

called upon to defend his conduct. You will observe that I take

it for granted you agree with me as to the utter impossibility

of ever exercising such a right, and the impolicy as well as bad

faith of reserving it, to become, like the tea-duty, a ground

for contest and ill-blood; without the possibility of advantage.

Lord Shelburne seems to imagine that by a peace he should be

able to enforce it; you know the contrary, and that the hearts

and voices, and even hands, not of the Volunteers only, but of

the people, and even of Parliament, would be against it. And

with what face, supposing the thing in itself practicable and

honest, could we maintain that ground, after having repeatedly

stated the contrary, and pledged ourselves to it in resolutions,

and now in a bill offered under your recommendation for the

English Parliament? In this event, therefore, I think that by an

immediate resignation you will have satisfied your own feelings,

and at the same time found an honourable solution to a very

unpleasant situation--unpleasant from the situation of things

there, and possibly not less so from the complexion of affairs

here.

If, on the other hand, this measure drives them into an

immediate acquiescence with your proposals, you will certainly

stand in a much pleasanter situation in Ireland, especially as a

peace will give you a fair ground for dissolving the Fencibles,

if you think proper, without ever coming to Parliament to vote

money for them. The advantages which we shall have from putting

an end to this almost intolerable scene of delay and temporizing

are obvious; and if the measure comes from Townshend, and is

seconded by me, as I shall propose, it will give you all the

credit of the adherence to good faith, &c., &c., instead of its

being forced upon Government, as it will otherwise be, by Lord

Beauchamp, or Commodore Johnstone, or any person disposed to do

mischief.

I have said that

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evident intention

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make cyphers colleagues

to 70Ic aw6FckT of his amddcol2ct. Rayneval's arrival at his

not known

house at eight in the morning was 9m3 I9ms9 to Townshend

till twelve, nor to others till after four.

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They be much pleased, they mean

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to remain.

3m k370l9. I have had no opportunity of speaking about the

Vice-Treasurership since your last letter; I had spoke before.

will observe Barré's place is kept

You sldd mhtck2c Hokkct 6doac lt also Ic63 open.[1]

_Quorsum hæc tendunt_, God only knows.

Ever yours,

W. W. G.

[Footnote 1: Portions of numerous letters in the correspondence

contained in these volumes are written in cypher. The above passage is

given merely as a specimen, which will be sufficient to show the

character of the cypher.]

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