MR. W. W. GRENVILLE TO LORD TEMPLE.

(Most Secret and Private.)

Pall Mall, Monday, Dec. 2nd, 1782.

My dear Brother,

I told you, in my last letter, that Lord Shelburne had thrown

out to me the idea of a paragraph in the King's Speech on the

subject of Ireland, and that I had applied to Townshend, that I

might see it before it was decided upon. In consequence of this,

I received, through him, a message from Lord Shelburne, desiring

to see me this morning. I have just been with him. He made his

excuses to me as soon as I came in, for having appointed me at a

time when he should only be able to converse with me for _a very

short time_, as unexpected business had occurred. He then took

out the Speech, and read to me the sentence in question, which

is nearly this: The liberal spirit of your measures respecting

the commerce of Ireland, confirmed by the rest of your conduct

towards her, meets with my full approbation and concurrence; and

I should recommend to you a general revision of the trade laws

of this kingdom on the same extended principles. I own this did

not strike me as being sufficiently extensive. I mentioned the

insertion of the word rights--commerce and rights--but he did

not at all seem to give into it. He said that we were not ripe

for that; that the best thing that could be done was that we

should adhere exactly to the settlement; that it was a bond from

which we ought in no instance to depart; and that a steady

Government would enable us to stand to it in Ireland as well as

here. Above all, he said he looked to the effects of a full

confidence between you and himself, which union and concurrence

would be more important for Government than any other point

whatever--that it gave more strength than even abilities or

weight. With this I closed in, seeing it in vain to push the

other, and told him that the appearance of confidence and

support here would, I was convinced, assist you more than even

the adoption of any specific measure; that in the case of a

peace, I did not doubt that you would be sufficiently strong to

carry on your Government with ease, but that I could not answer

for the event of a continuance of the war. He answered, that the

situation of Ireland weighed very materially with him in his

wishes for peace, and that, although he never wished to shift

off responsibility, yet he trusted in your integrity and honour;

that, if he found it necessary, he should be enabled to state

that part of the subject from the best authority. To this I

thought myself justified in answering, that most certainly you

would never abandon a ground which you had already stated to

him, and which every hour made clearer to you; and that such a

consideration certainly ought to weigh with Government in making

the peace.

He then went on to say, that he had in general no doubt but that

you would find your Government easy and prosperous; he

enumerated the advantages with which you will meet the

Parliament _in October_--a settled ministry here, things

arranged in Ireland, the Parliament fully canvassed, and

possibly a peace. I said, that when I saw him before, I had

stated the possibility of your being driven to meet the

Parliament in the spring; that I had stated it as a possible

evil; and that I wished to explain to him that the necessity of

this would by no means be affected either way by the difference

between an immediate dissolution, and that which must take place

before the March assizes. To this he by no means agreed; as a

dissolution late in February would, he said, by the time the

elections were over, bring us far on towards the summer months.

He then reverted to his opinion as to the probability of your

having a smooth and easy Government. It was his idea he said,

that real commotion never was produced but by real grievances.

My answer was, that the people of Ireland did suffer real

misery, which, as was frequently the case, they would impute to

Government, however little founded such an idea would be. This,

he said, would lead us at length into a disquisition on the

state of Ireland, on which subject he intended, before I went,

to have a long conversation with me, but that he was now too

much pressed.

After this, I thought I could not, with any propriety, prolong

my visit. Since I wrote the above, I have seen Townshend. He

agrees perfectly in opinion with me, that the mention of the

commerce, with so very general a reference to the constitutional

part of the question, could produce no good effect in Ireland,

and might be made an invidious use of. He threw out the idea of

omitting the paragraph entirely; and most certainly, if Lord

Shelburne sees, or thinks he sees, any objection to being more

explicit on the subject, I know no necessity whatever for saying

a word about it. It certainly will produce debate on the affairs

of Ireland, which is much to be avoided; and in the form in

which it now stands, or indeed in any into which it could be

thrown, so as to form part of the King's Speech, it would be of

no advantage to us in Ireland, whilst it would afford ground of

cavil and objection to our enemies. In this idea, I have written

to Lord Shelburne, to desire to see him again; but as he may

possibly appoint me for to-morrow, and you must be impatient to

hear from England, I shall not detain the messenger.

With respect to that cursed cause, I hardly know what to say: it

must have set you very much afloat, particularly with the

lawyers who are interested in the question. In my last letter, I

threw out the idea of a bill in this country to prevent the

receiving or hearing Irish causes in the English courts. I have

shown to Townshend the draught of such a bill, which I enclose

to you with this letter. I believe his disposition is most real

and unaffected, to leave the management of the whole Irish

business to you, and to support you honestly and fairly in

whatever measures you adopt. But it is not difficult to see that

the whole administration and business of Government _roule sur

bien un autre pivot_. As far as one can separate Lord

Shelburne's intentions from his verbiage and professions, I

think I see a strong disposition to resist the least tendency

towards any further concession, or even to the appearance of it.

On the contrary, if any very good opportunity should offer

itself, I should think him more inclined to lessen than to

extend. He either has, or affects, an opinion very different

from that which I hold out to him with respect to the

difficulties of your Government, and exclaims even against the

possibility of your being driven from your ground. I can't say

that I think this situation between your official Minister and

the real Premier quite pleasant, because it seems to me that the

despatches of the one, however explicit, being all written

without the concurrence of the Cabinet, do not pledge the

opinions of the other, which are, after all, the only opinions

which are of any consequence.

I believe I stated to you in my last the reason which Townshend

gave to me, and which Lord Shelburne assigned to Jemmy, for not

calling a Cabinet immediately on my arrival, namely, their

unwillingness to meet them before they had news from Paris,

because they had been hitherto unanimous, and hoped to meet

Parliament so; and if they were called upon the subject of

Ireland, nobody knows what other hare might be started there,

however they might agree upon Irish affairs. You will certainly

think the mode of keeping a Cabinet unanimous, by never meeting

them at all, an excellent one; however, in the situation of

things here, I did not think it would be decent in me to

distress Government, especially as I really think the propriety

of the dissolution at this moment depends much on the event of

the business at Paris. I have therefore contented myself with an

explicit assurance from Townshend, that when news of that

arrives, which is now most anxiously expected every hour, a

Cabinet shall be held, to go into the whole line of Irish

business.

Townshend showed me his despatches on the subject of the

embargo, and of this Irish cause, both of which the King has

seen, but I believe, no one else. The idea of the resolutions

not being proposed till your wish was known, was suggested to

him by me, because, if you should be driven--and things

certainly verge towards it--to any further concession, you will

not be much assisted by those two resolutions standing on the

journals in array against you. But I believe the attention of

every one here will be so much employed by the great point of

peace or war, that there will be very little room for Irish

politics, either in the House of Commons or the House of Lords.

I asked Townshend, an hour ago, whether there was anything from

Paris; and he told me explicitly that they knew nothing at all,

but was in most anxious expectation. The Parliament certainly

meets on Thursday. I think, from the style of their language,

and particularly from Lord Shelburne's trying to make me pledge

you to it, that they are confident of a peace; and certainly, if

they have it not, their situation is very precarious, to say no

more of it. If they do meet Parliament with a peace, I am

persuaded they will stand their ground. The country gentlemen

hold in general rather a friendly language than otherwise. I

shall certainly now stay over Thursday; but after that, get back

to you as soon as I can.

Lord Mahon has been with me, and is outrageous about the Duke of

Leinster. He wanted me to engage that Government would give them

land if the other offers failed; but I begged to decline.

I have received the enclosed from Talbot, and have also sent you

my answer, which you will forward or not, as you think right.

Lord Nugent is out of all patience with you for not answering

his letter. Adieu.

Believe me,

Ever most affectionately yours,

W. W. G.

I have not given you the words of the Speech exactly, but

nearly. Yorke and Banks move in the House of Commons; Lord

Carmarthen and ---- in the House of Lords.

You will probably think it right to write to Lord Shelburne,

stating the difficulties of your situation at full length;

because I think his idea of ease and smoothness ought by no

means to remain uncontradicted. If you do that, I should think

it would not be amiss to say something about a peace, for he

evidently meant that I should have pledged you to that, and to

acknowledge his professions, which have been boundless and

unlimited.

I should think it would be also an act of real justice to

Townshend to say something to him about his conduct towards you,

which I think as honourable and friendly as possible. If one

could but join the power of the one with the integrity of the

other!

What answer will you give about your stopping the English

recruiting parties _car l'on est un peu choqué là-dessus_?

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