MR. W. W. GRENVILLE TO LORD TEMPLE.

Pall Mall, Saturday, Nov. 30th, 1782.

My Dear Brother,

I have just been with Townshend, who sent for me on the subject

of a despatch from you, relating to the proceedings in the

King's Bench here, on an Irish cause.

I have seen Troward, the attorney concerned in the cause, and

from him have learnt, what you probably know by this time, that

the case has been argued here, and the judgment of the Court in

Ireland affirmed; so that nothing can be done in it here,

especially as the Term has been over these two days. It is

impossible not to see the use which will be made in Ireland of

this unlucky business. You say nothing in your letter to

Townshend of the Protest, nor have I heard a word on that or any

other subject from Ireland since I have been here. But I much

fear that the alarm among the Bar, upon a point which affects

their private interests as well as their national pride, will

have prevented, or in great measure impeded its being signed.

The only grounds that you can take, as far at least as I can

see, are those which I have desired Townshend to insert in his

answer. The Bill of Exceptions was certified from an Irish

Court. It has been depending eighteen months. The objection to

the jurisdiction was never started. The King's Bench in Ireland

either has been applied to or will be so next Term, to grant a

writ of possession on the affirmance of the English Court. This

will of course be denied them, and the whole English proceeding

treated as waste paper. No Judge will allow--no sheriff will

execute, any English process. No man will again be so absurd as

to subject himself to a considerable expense to obtain a

judgment of no more effect than the decisions of a Prussian

court-martial would be as to a question of property here.

Still, however, I am far from being insensible to the clamour

which will be raised, and to the advantage which will be taken

of the opinion of the Court here, that their jurisdiction still

remains, notwithstanding the Irish Act to the contrary. Possibly

you may find it necessary to hold out some solution; and perhaps

you will think the opportunity is not a bad one to cut the

ground still more decisively from under Mr. Flood's feet than

even by the proposed resolutions. What I mean is, the passing a

bill here which should in the preamble declare the repeal to

have been a renunciation of the rights formerly exercised by

this kingdom over Ireland, and should enact that _therefore_ for

the future, no writ of error, &c., &c., should be received,

signed or determined in any of the King's Courts of Justice in

this country. If this idea should please you, it might be done

immediately, and you might settle the words with Yelverton or

Burgh.

If you think this too like a concession, you might hold out the

idea of an Act to be passed in Ireland, inflicting the penalties

of a _præmunire_ against any persons seeking justice out of the

kingdom; in imitation of the old statutes against ecclesiastics

applying to the papal authority.

Lord Shelburne threw out to me the other day, but when I could

not ask him any more upon the subject, the idea of a paragraph

about Ireland in the King's Speech. I have writ to Townshend

to-day, to desire that if this idea is pursued, he will let me

see it before the words are finally determined upon. I think

such a paragraph may have a good effect; because, when re-echoed

in the addresses, it will include the three branches.

I am waiting with the most anxious expectation the decision of

the great question--peace or war? Reports are hourly circulated

on both sides, but nothing is known from any authority. I need

not say, that the moment it is known, I will send it off.

I know no more of the East India business than you will see in

the papers. I was so intent on this, that I forgot to ask

Townshend to-day about it.

I shall most probably be with you before you can answer this, as

the 5th is the day for the meeting. But if they should again

prorogue the Parliament, and wish me to stay, supposing the

point not decided, what shall I do?

Ever most affectionately yours,

W. W. G.

Townshend and Conway have both been plaguing me about Murray,

who wanted to raise a corps in the North. It seems he is an

Irishman, with considerable connexions in the North. Talbot's

inspection makes a figure in the papers.

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