BOOK VIII.

ARGUMENT.

The mode of rightly governing a state having been duly set forth, Plato

in the _eighth book_ treats of the bad government which he had

previously designated as ἀδικία. Having mentioned then three

principal forms of government, monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy,

he shows in this and also the following book the excesses and

defects peculiar to each. He considers these faults in two lights;

first, as affecting the manners of _the citizens individually_; and,

secondly, those of the state collectively. Aristocracy, says he, is

apt to verge into oligarchy,—democracy into ochlarchy, and monarchy

into τιμαρχία and tyranny. The two former classes only are treated

in this book.

CHAP. I.—Well then, Glaucon, these things have been agreed on, that in a

state that is to be perfectly administered the women are to be in

common, the children in common, and their education also,—so likewise

their employments both in war and peace in common, and their kings the

best possible both in philosophy and warfare. It has been so agreed, he

replied. And this, moreover, we agreed on, that when the commanders are

appointed and leading their soldiers, they should dwell in habitations,

such as we have described, containing nothing particularly belonging to

any individual, but common to all; and besides these habitations, we

agreed also, if you recollect, as to their possessions, to what sort

they should be entitled. Aye, I recollect, said he, that we thought them

entitled to no possessions whatever, like the other citizens, but that,

like military wrestlers and guardians, they should receive the yearly

pay of their service in maintenance provided by the rest, and should

take care both of themselves and the rest of the state. You say rightly,

said I:—but come,—since we have settled these matters, let us recollect

from what point we made this digression, in order that we may again take

up the same argument. No hard matter, said he;—for you were pursuing

much about the same argument respecting the state, as you did just now,

when saying that you considered such a state to be good as you then

described, and the individual man also analogous thereto,—and this, too,

as it seems, when you were able to define both a better state and a

better man. You said, moreover, that all the rest were wrong, if this

were right;—and of the other kinds of states you said, I remember, that

four were deserving of consideration, with the view of seeing the errors

therein and the people thereto corresponding,—in order that by seeing

all these and deciding on the best and worst man, we might inquire

whether the best be the happiest, and the worst the most wretched or

otherwise:—and when I inquired which were the four kinds of states to

which you referred, on this Polemarchus and Adimantus interrupted

us;[228] and so now resuming the subject you have arrived at this point.

You have recollected it, said I, with great accuracy. Once more then,

like a wrestler, furnish me with the same handle; and when I ask the

same question, try to say just what you were then about to tell me. Aye,

said I, if I can. Moreover, said he, I am anxious also myself to hear

what those four kinds of states were. You shall hear that, and welcome,

said I:—for, of those which I can mention and which have names,—that

praised by the multitude is the Cretan and Lacedæmonian polity,—the

second, and that which deserves the second praise, called oligarchy, a

polity full of abundant evils,—that which differs from it, and follows

next in order, democracy,—and then genuine tyranny, [or monarchy,]

differing from all the others, the fourth and last ailment of the

state:—surely you have no other form of polity, having a distinct and

established species?—for small principalities and purchased kingdoms,

and such-like polities as these, are of an intermediate class, and may

be found no less among barbarians than Greeks. Aye, indeed, said

he;—many are mentioned, and those, too, absurd enough.

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Footnote 228:

This refers to the interruption at the beginning of the fifth book,

when, Socrates being about to describe the four kinds of wickedness in

both individuals and states, was desired to develop his notions about

the community of women and children.

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CHAP. II.—Do you know, then, said I, that of men there are as many

descriptions as of states?—or do you think that states, somehow or

other, spring out of an oak or a rock, and not out of the habits of

those in the state, whither, indeed, everything else must verge and be

attracted? I, for my part, think it is derived from no other source than

that. In that case, if there be five kinds of states, the intellectual

distinctions of the individuals will be five likewise. Of course. As for

the person then, who resembles an aristocracy, we have already described

him, and rightly pronounced him to be both good and just. Aye, we have

described him. Are we then, in the next place, to argue about the

inferior,—the contentious and ambitious man formed according to the

Spartan model, and him again, who resembles an oligarchy, or a

democracy, or a tyranny, in order that we may contemplate the most

unjust, and contrast him with the most just, and thus our inquiry may be

complete, how unmingled justice stands in opposition to unmingled

injustice, as respects the happiness or misery of its possessor,—thus

either pursuing injustice in compliance with Thrasymachus’s suggestion,

or else justice in compliance with our present argument? We must do so,

by all means, said he. Are we then, just as we began, to consider moral

habits in states primarily, or rather in private individuals, as being

there more clearly developed; and now must we not thus first consider

the ambitious republic (for I cannot call it by any other term, but only

denominate it a timocracy or a timarchy), and in connexion with it an

individual of the same character,—then again an oligarchy and a man of

oligarchical character,—and so also, when considering a democracy, must

we contemplate a democratic person,—and, fourthly, coming to a state

governed by a tyrant, consider a person of tyrannical disposition;—thus

trying to become competent judges about what we proposed? According to

reason, indeed, such should be both our view and decision.

CHAP. III.—Come then, said I;—let us try to show in what way a timocracy

arises out of an aristocracy:—is it not plain, at any rate, that every

government changes through the agency of that portion which holds the

public offices, whenever sedition arises in that particular part;

whereas, if it only agree with itself, however small the state, it

cannot possibly be disturbed? Such is the case. How then, Glaucon, said

I, will our state be disturbed and how will our allies and rulers fall

into quarrels with each other and amongst themselves:—do you wish, like

Homer, that we implore the muses to tell us how first sedition rose, and

address them in tragic fashion, as if we were children, playing and

jesting, so to speak, with seriousness uttering lofty language? How so?

Somehow thus:—it is hard indeed for a state thus constituted to become

disturbed;—but, as everything generated is liable to corruption, not

even such a constitution as this can abide for ever, but must be

dissolved:—and its dissolution is as follows.—Not only as regards

terrestrial plants, but likewise terrestrial animals, a fertility and

sterility both of soul and body take place, when the revolutions of the

heavenly bodies complete the periphery of their respective orbits, which

are shorter to the shorter-lived, and contrariwise to the contrary: and

with reference to the fertility and sterility of your race, though those

are wise whom you have trained as governors of the state, yet they will

never, by intellect and sense united, observe the proper season for

procreation, but let it slip by, and sometimes generate children when

they ought not.—To that, however, which is divinely generated, there is

a period which is comprehended by the perfect number; whereas, to that

generated by man, there is one, in which the augmentations, both

surpassing and surpassed, after having received three separations and

four boundaries of things similar and dissimilar, increasing and

decreasing, will render all things correspondent and rational;—of which

the sesquiternian root, conjoined with the pentad and thrice increased,

affords two harmonies,—one of these, the equally equal, just a hundred

times as much;—while the other, of equal length indeed, but of oblong

shape, is of a hundred numbers from effable diameters of the pentad,

each wanting one, two of which are irrational and of a hundred cubes of

the triad.—And the whole of this geometric number is, having such an

influence, concerned with worse and better generations.[229] Now, if our

governors be ignorant of this, and join our couples together

unseasonably, the children will neither possess talent, nor be fortunate

either; and though former governors should have placed the best of them

in office, nevertheless as they are unworthy of it, and only come into

the power which their fathers had, they will begin to neglect us in

their guardianship, holding music first of all, and then gymnastics in

less esteem than they ought, and hence our young men will become too

little disposed to music;—in consequence of which the governors to be

appointed from among them will not be very clever guardians, as respects

proving, according to Hesiod and ourselves, what are the several species

of talents, the golden, the silver, the brazen, and the iron. Where

iron, however, mingles with silver, and brass with gold, then there

arises a dissimilitude and unharmonious unevenness;—(and when this is

the case, wherever it prevails, it perpetually generates war and

hatred;)—we must say that sedition belongs to such a race as this,

whenever it arises. Aye,—and we shall say that the answer was correctly

given, replied he. Aye, and it must be so too, said I—as they are Muses.

What then, said he, do the Muses say next? Sedition having once arisen,

said I, two classes of genius,—the iron and the brazen, will be allured

to gain, and the acquisition of land and houses, gold and silver,—while

the golden and silver, not being in poverty but naturally rich, will

lead souls to virtue and their original constitution; whereas, should

they be violent and strive one against the other, they would agree to

divide their lands and houses as individual possessions; and then,

enslaving those formerly guarded by them as freemen, friends, and

tutors, keep them as denizens and slaves, themselves providing for war

and their own protection. This revolution, said he, seems to me to have

just this origin. Will not then this government, said I, be a medium

between aristocracy and oligarchy? Certainly.

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Footnote 229:

This passage, descriptive of the geometric or fatal number, has

baffled the ingenuity of every commentator. Any literal translation is

little better than nonsense, and any explanation would be too long for

a mere note. The views of Baroccius, Schneider, &c. are given in a

dissertation at the end of the volume;—but they are all far from

satisfactory.

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CHAP. IV.—Thus then will the revolution be effected, and when it has

taken place, what arrangement will then be made?—Is it not plain, that

in some things they will follow the pattern of the former republic, and

in others oligarchy, as halfway between the two, and having something

also peculiar to itself? Just so, he replied. Will they, then, in

honouring their rulers, in allowing their military to abstain from

agriculture, as with us from mechanical and other money-making pursuits,

in establishing common meals, and in studying both gymnastics and

military contests,—in all these things will they not follow the pattern

of the last form of government? Yes. But, through the fear of admitting

wise men into the magisterial office, inasmuch as the state no longer

possesses men who are simple and resolute, but only such as are of a

mixed character,—and through an inclination towards the high-spirited

and even simple, naturally more suited for war than peace, and also

towards those who are clever at tricks and schemes, spending their whole

time in continual war;—in all these respects, will it not possess many

such things as are peculiar to itself? Yes. And such as these, said I,

will ever be lovers of wealth, just like those in oligarchies, and will

have a wild though disguised love for gold and silver, as if they

possessed treasuries of their own and domestic storehouses in which to

hoard and hide them,—and circularly-enclosed houses also,—nests as it

were wholly their own, in which they can lose and spend much, together

with their own wives and such others as they fancy. Most true, said he.

Well then,—will they not from their love of wealth be sparing of it

also, though not openly acquiring it, but disposed to squander other

people’s property through lustful desire and secret indulgence in

pleasure;—just as children escaping from parental law, who have been

brought up not by persuasion but force, owing to their neglect of the

true muse, which unites reasoning and philosophy and the preference also

which they give to gymnastics over music? It is quite a mixed

government, said he, of which you are now speaking,—compounded of good

and ill. Aye, mixed indeed, said I:—but the most remarkable thing in it

is what simply arises from the prevalence of high spirit,—contention and

ambition. Aye, just so, said he. Such then is the origin and character

of this form of government, if one may ideally sketch it without giving

a complete description,—though enough for us to see from this

sketch,—who is the just and the unjust man; and it were a work of

tedious length to argue on all governments and all the various manners

of men without any exception whatever. Quite right, said he.

CHAP. V.—What then will the individual be, who corresponds to this form

of government;—how did he become so: and what is his nature? I think

indeed, said Adimantus, he has a tendency to be like this Glaucon here,

as far at least as concerns the love of contention. Perhaps so, said I,

as to this particular;—but I think, that in these respects he cannot at

all resemble him. How? He must necessarily, said I, be more self-willed,

and somewhat unapt to music, though fond of it; and fond of hearing, but

by no means a rhetorician:—such an one will be rough towards the slaves,

without despising them, as the man does who is fairly educated. He will

be polite towards the free, submissive to governors, a lover of dominion

and honour,—not thinking it proper to govern by eloquence or anything of

the kind, but by political management and military achievements, being a

lover of gymnastics and hunting. This indeed, said he, is the spirit of

that form of government. And will not such an one, said I, despise money

during his youth, but the older he grows, always value it the more,

because he partakes of the covetous disposition, and is not sincerely

affected towards virtue, because destitute of the best guardian? Of what

guardian? said Adimantus. Reason, said I, accompanied with music, which

being the only inbred preservative of virtue, dwells with the possessor

through the whole of life. You say well, he replied. And surely the

timocratic youth, said I, resembles such a state. Certainly. And such an

one, said I, is somehow thus formed.—He may happen perhaps to be the

youthful son of a worthy father, dwelling in an ill-governed state, and

shunning public honours, magisterial offices, lawsuits, and all such

public business, content to live neglected in obscurity, that he may

have no trouble. In what manner then, said he, is he formed? First of

all, said I, when he hears his mother complaining that her husband is

not in magisterial office, and that she is on this account neglected

among other women, and then sees that he is not over attentive to the

acquisition of wealth, and does not wrangle and quarrel privately and

publicly in the law courts, but on all these occasions acts

indolently;—and when she perceives him always attentive to himself, and

treating her neither with extreme respect nor contempt;—on all these

accounts, she is filled with indignation, and tells her son that his

father is unmanly, extremely careless, and whatever else wives are wont

to chant about such matters. Aye,—many things, truly, said Adimantus,

and quite in accordance with their spirit.—And you know, said I, that

the domestics likewise of such families, such of them as would be

thought good-natured, sometimes say privately the very same to the sons;

and if they see either a debtor whom the father does not sue, or any one

otherwise acting unjustly, they exhort him to punish all such persons

when he comes to manhood, and to be more of a man than his father.—And

when he goes abroad, he hears other such-like things, and sees also that

such in the state as attend to their own affairs are called simple, and

held in little esteem, while such as do not attend to their affairs are

both honoured and commended.—The youth then who hears and sees all this,

and then again hears his father’s speeches, and closely observes his

pursuits in contrast with those of others, is drawn in two opposite

directions,—his father irrigating and promoting the growth of his

rational part, and the others his passions and high spirit;—and so,

being not naturally bad, but spoiled only by evil connexion with others,

he is brought to a mean between both and delivers up the government

within himself to a middle power,—the love of contention and high

spirit:—and so he becomes a haughty and ambitious man. I think, said he,

you have quite correctly explained the training of such a person.—We

have here then, said I, the second form of government and the second

individual. Aye,—we have, said he.

CHAP. VI.—Shall we not then after this say with Æschylus,—

Where state to state,—then each to each incline;—

or rather, shall we, according to our plan, establish the state first?

Certainly, he replied. It would be an oligarchy then, methinks, that

would succeed such a government as this. But what constitution is it,

said he, that you call an oligarchy? That government, said I, which is

founded on the estimate of men’s property;—in which the rich rule, and

the poor have no share in the government. Aye,—I understand, said he.

Should we not, first of all explain, how the change is made from a

timocracy to an oligarchy? We should. And surely the way, in which this

change is made, said I, is manifest even to the blind! How? That

treasury, said I, which each one fills with gold destroys such a state;

for, first of all, they discover for themselves modes of expense, for

which they set aside the laws,—both themselves and their wives

disobeying them. Very likely, said he, and afterwards, I think, when one

observes another, and enters into rivalry, the people generally become

of this character. It is likely. And thence then, said I, as they

advance in the intensity of the desire for acquiring wealth, the more

honourable they account this, the more dishonourable will they deem

virtue;—for is not virtue so at variance with wealth, that, supposing

each to be placed at the opposite end of a balance, they would always

weigh the one against the other? Justly so, he replied. While wealth

then and the wealthy are honoured in the state, both virtue and good men

must necessarily be held in dishonour? It is plain. And what is honoured

is always pursued, while what is dishonoured is neglected? Just so.

Instead then of being contentious and ambitious men, they have at last

become lovers of gain and wealth;—and the rich they praise and admire,

elevating them to the magistracy, while the poor man they quite despise.

Certainly. And do they not enact laws, marking out the boundary of the

oligarchal constitution, and regulating the quantity of oligarchal power

by the quantity of wealth,—allotting more to the more wealthy and less

to those less so, intimating that he who has not the amount settled by

law can have no share in the government;—and do they not settle these

matters compulsorily, by force of arms, establishing such a state after

previous intimidation?—Is it not thus? Aye, indeed. This then, so to

speak, is its constitution? Yes, replied he. What then is the nature of

the government, and what are the faults thereto ascribed? First of all,

said I, of this very thing, the constitution itself, what think you?—for

consider, if a person were thus to appoint pilots of ships, by the

amount of their property never intrusting one of them with a poor man,

though better skilled in piloting,—what would then be the consequence?

They would make a very bad voyage, he replied. And is it not the same

about any other matter, or any presiding office whatever? I think so. Is

it always so, except in a state, said I; or is it so as regards a state

likewise? There, beyond all others, said he; inasmuch as it is the most

difficult, and most important kind of government. Oligarchy then would

seem to have this unquestionably very great fault. So it seems. But

what;—is this no less a fault? What? That such a state is not integrally

one, but necessarily two; one containing the poor, and the other the

rich, dwelling in one place and always plotting against one another. By

Zeus, said he, not a whit less;—and this besides is a fine thing,—the

incapacity of waging war, through the necessity, either of employing the

armed multitude, who are to be dreaded more than the enemy themselves,

or else refusing to employ them at all, and so appearing quite

oligarchical in battle,—being unwilling also to advance money for the

public service, through a natural disposition to covetousness? This is

not well. What then;—with reference to what we long ago

condemned,—engaging in a variety of pursuits, the same persons in such a

state giving their attendance all at once to agriculture, money-making,

and military affairs; does this seem right? Not at all, of course.

CHAP. VII.—Let us see, then,—does this form of government above all

others introduce this greatest of all evils? What is that? The

permission to each person of selling the whole of his effects, and to

another of purchasing them from him, and the privilege to the seller of

dwelling in our state, though he belongs to no one class therein, and

can be called neither a money-maker, nor mechanic, nor horseman, nor

foot-soldier, but poor and destitute. Yes, above all others, he replied.

Such a thing is not prevented in oligarchal governments; for, in that

case some of them would not be over-rich, and others altogether poor.

Right. But consider this likewise;—when such a rich man as this spends

his property, would it do the state any more service, as regards the

objects just mentioned; or did he only seem to be one of the

magistrates, while in truth he was neither magistrate nor servant to the

state, but only a consumer of its substance? Aye,—he did seem so, he

replied;—he was nothing but a consumer. Do you desire, then, said I,

that we should say of him, that, as a drone in a beehive brings ailment

among the whole swarm, just so, such a person as this, like a drone in

his house, is the ailment of a state? Quite so, Socrates, he replied.

And has not God, Adimantus, made all the winged drones without any

sting,—and those that have feet, some without stings, and some with

dreadful stings?—And do not those that are without stings continue poor

to old age:—whereas those that have stings, are those that we called

mischievous? Most true, said he. It is plain then, said I, that in a

state where you would observe poor people, there are doubtless concealed

thieves, cutpurses, sacrilegious persons, and workers of all such evils.

Evidently so, said he. What then? Do not you find poor people in states

that are placed under oligarchal government? Almost all are so, said he,

except the governors themselves. And do we not think, said I, that they

contain within them many mischievous persons with stings, whom the

magistrates must restrain by vigilance and compulsory measures? We do

indeed think so, said he. And must we not say, that it is through want

of education, bad nurture, and a corrupt constitution of state, that

persons of this character are here engendered? Yes we must. Well then,

is not the state oligarchally governed when under an oligarchy of this

character; and is it not affected by all these evils, and probably more

too? It is nearly so, said he. Let us distinguish then this form of

government likewise, said I, which they call oligarchy, as one having

its governors [elected] according to the valuation of their property.

CHAP. VIII.—Next let us consider the man who is analogous to this [form

of government,] how he is formed and what is his character. By all

means, said he. Is it not thus then chiefly that the individual man

changes from the timocratic to the oligarchic form? How? When such an

one has a son, he, first of all, emulates his father, and follows his

steps; afterwards, when he sees him suddenly dashed on the state [like a

ship] on a rock, squandering his property and ruining himself, either at

the head of the army, or in some other high magisterial office,—then

falling into the law-courts, ruined by public informers, and either put

to death, or exiled, and stripped of his honours and entire property. It

is likely, said he. Aye, my friend, and after seeing and suffering this,

and losing his property, he instantly, through fear, I think, pushes

headlong from the throne within his soul, his ambitious, lofty temper,

and at length, humbled by poverty, turns his attention to gain, lives

meanly and sparingly, and by hard labour acquires wealth;—do you not

think that such a man will seat on that throne in his soul a covetous

and money-loving spirit, making it a mighty king within himself, and

girding it, as it were, with tiaras, and bracelets, and sceptres? I

think so, said he. But, as for the principles of reason and high spirit,

having laid them both at his feet on either side as mere slaves, he

forbids the one to reason at all, or at any rate to inquire into aught

else, except by what means a smaller amount of property can be made

greater; and the other, again, to admire and honour anything but riches

and the rich, and to receive honour with any other view than the

acquisition of money, or whatever else may tend thereto. There is no

change, said he, so sudden and powerful as that of an ambitious to an

avaricious man. Is not this, then, said I, the oligarchic man? Aye—the

change which he undergoes is from a person who resembles that government

from which oligarchy arises. Shall we consider, now, if he does at all

resemble it? Let us consider.

CHAP. IX.—Does he not, in the first place, resemble it in valuing money

above all things? Of course he does. And he does so surely in being

sparing and laborious, satisfying only his necessary desires, and not

allowing himself any other expenses, but subduing the other desires as

foolish. Certainly. And in being, said I, a sordid kind of man, making

gain of everything, intent on hoarding,—one, such as the multitude

extols, will not this be the man that resembles such a form of

government? Aye, I think so, he replied: wealth at least must be highly

valued by the state, as well as by the individual of such a character.

Aye,—for I do not think, said I, that such a man has attended to

education. I do not think he has, said he; for he would not then have

chosen a blind guide for his chorus.[230] But further still, consider

this attentively, said I;—must we not say that, owing to his want of

education, dronish desires springing in him, some of them beggarly, and

some mischievous, forcibly kept under restraint by the rest of his

pursuits? Just so, said he. Do you know, then, said I, where you will

best observe their wickedness? Where? said he. [By looking] at their

tutelage of orphans, or whatever else of this kind comes in their way,

so as to give them much power to do injustice. True. Is not this then

quite clear, that in all other kinds of contracts, wherever such an one

gains approbation, by the mere semblance of justice, he restrains the

other wrong desires within him by exercising a certain moderation, not

from any persuasion that it is not better to indulge them, nor from

sober reason, but from necessity and fear, because he trembles for the

remainder of his property? Certainly, said he. Aye, by Zeus, said I, my

friend, most of them, when they want to spend the property of others,

display passions much akin to those of drones. Yes, exceedingly so,

observed he. Such a person as this, then, will not be free from internal

discord; nor be integrally one, but a kind of double man; possessing

desires, however, that are at variance with one another, the better,

usually, governing the worse. It is so. On these accounts, then, such an

one, methinks, will present a better appearance than many others; though

the true virtue of a harmonized and consistent soul will wholly escape

him. Aye, it seems so. And the sparing man, either privately or in the

state, will be but a poor rival, as regards any victory or other

struggle for honour; because either for reputation’s sake, or any such

contests, he is unwilling to spend his property, through fear of

kindling expensive desires, and calling them into alliance or

rivalry;—and warring, as he does, in oligarchic fashion, with only a few

of his resources, he is in most cases defeated, though he still

contrives to get rich. Quite so, replied he. Can we any longer hesitate,

said I, to rank the niggard and the money-maker as resembling a state

under an oligarchy? By no means, said he.

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Footnote 230:

Allusion is here made to Plutus, the god of riches,—who is usually

represented blind. The word χοροῦ, which is the reading of the best

MSS., refers to the noisy crowd of desires that hurry a man through

life.

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CHAP. X.—Democracy, as it seems, must next be considered,—how it arises,

and when once arisen, what kind of man it produces;—in order that

understanding the nature of such a man, we may at once bring him to

trial. Yes, said he;—that would be our consistent course. Well then,

said I, is not the change from oligarchy to democracy produced in some

such way as this,—through the insatiable desire of the proposed good,

viz. the desire of becoming as rich as possible? How? Inasmuch as its

governors govern through the possession of great wealth, they will have

no wish, methinks, to restrain by law the profligate portion of the

young men from squandering and wasting their property at pleasure;

because, by purchasing such persons’ effects, and lending on usury, they

will not only be still more enriched, but held in higher repute. Far

more so than any other. This, then, is already quite clear in our state,

that to honour riches, and at the same time practise temperance, is

impossible, since either the one or the other must necessarily be

neglected. Of course, that is quite plain, said he. While, therefore,

they are neglectful in oligarchies, and allow the youths to indulge in

licentiousness, they must necessarily sometimes bring men to poverty,

even those that are not ignoble. Quite so. And these, I suppose, stand

in our state both spurred, and in armour; some in debt, others in

disgrace, others in both, hating and conspiring against those who have

got what belonged to them, and against others also, for mere love of

change. Aye, such is the case. These usurers, however, bent on their own

interests, and apparently unobservant of these, wound all that ever

yield to them by advancing them money, and so, by getting multiplied

interest for the parent principal,[231] fill the state with many a drone

and pauper. Aye, with many a one, he replied. And even when such an evil

is raging in the state, said I, they are not willing to extinguish it,

not even by restraining people from spending their property at pleasure,

nor yet in this way by making another law to destroy such disorders.

What law? One that shall follow the other, compelling the citizens to

cultivate virtue; for if they were bidden to engage in voluntary

contracts chiefly at their own hazard, their usurers would create less

scandal in the state, and fewer also of the evils now mentioned would

arise therein. Far fewer, said he. At present, however, said I, it is by

all these means that the governors in the state thus dispose of the

governed; and both as to themselves and those belonging to them, do they

not render the youths luxurious and idle as respects all bodily and

mental exercises, effeminate in bearing pleasure and pains, and indolent

likewise? What else? And as to themselves, they neglect everything but

the acquisition of wealth, and pay no more regard to virtue than the

poor? No, surely. Having then been thus trained up, when the governors

and their subjects are thrown together, either on a journey along the

road, or in other meetings, either at public spectacles, or on warlike

expeditions, either as fellow-sailors or fellow-soldiers, or when they

see one another in real dangers, the poor in this case are by no means

despised by the rich;—but very often a robust fellow, poor and sunburnt,

whose post in battle is by the side of a rich man bred up in the shade,

and swoln with much unnecessary fat,[232] if he should see him panting

for breath and in agony,—think you not, he will consider such persons to

grow rich to their own injury, and will say to his fellow, when meeting

in private, that our rich men are good for nothing? Of course, I well

know, said he, that they do so. Well then, as a diseased body needs but

the smallest shock from without to give it pain, and is sometimes thrown

into disorder without any interference from without, so also the state

that resembles it will, on the smallest occasion from without, either

when one party forms an alliance with an oligarchal, or the other with a

democratic state, become disorded, and fight with itself, and also rise

in revolt without any external interference. Yes, certainly. A democracy

then, I think, arises, when the poor prevailing over the rich, kill

some, and banish others, and share the state-offices and magistracies

equally among the remainder; and for the most part the magistracies

therein are disposed of by lot. Aye, said he, this is the establishment

of a democracy, whether it be effected through force of arms, or from

the withdrawal of the other party through fear.

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Footnote 231:

The word πατήρ is here used to signify the principal sum (τὸ

κεφάλαιον), from which the interest (τόκοι or τὰ ἔκγονα) are derived.

Comp. b. vi. ch. 18, p. 196.

Footnote 232:

Gr. πολλάκις ἰσχνὸς ἀνὴρ πένης, ἡλιώμενος, παραταχθεὶς ἐν μάχῃ πλουσίῳ

ἐσκιατροφήκοτι, πολλὰς ἔχοντι σάρκας ἀλλοτρίας, &c.

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CHAP. XI.—In what way then, said I, do these live,—and what will be the

character of this government;—for it is plain, that a man of this kind

will appear democratic? It is plain, said he. First, then, are they not

free, and is not the state full of freedom of action, and speech, and

each one at liberty to do what he pleases? So it is said, he replied.

And where there is liberty, every one will evidently regulate his own

plan of life just as he pleases? Plainly so. Under such a government

especially, methinks, men of all characters will spring up. Of course.

This, said I, seems likely to be the best of all governments;—just as a

various-coloured robe, embroidered with flowers of all kinds,—so will

this appear best, variegated as it is with all sorts of manners. Of

course, said he. And perhaps too, said I, the multitude will reckon this

the best, just as children and women looking at embroidered dresses.

Very likely, said he. Aye, my excellent friend, here is a state in which

we may fitly look for a government. How so? Because it comprises all

kinds of government on the score of its liberty; and it seems necessary

for one that desires to establish a state, as we are now doing, to come

to any democratic state, the form of which he likes, as to a general

political fair, and establish that which he has chosen. Aye, said he, he

would probably be in no want of models. Is not this, said I, a divine

and pleasant kind of life for the present,—that there be no need of

governing in this state, even though you be able to do so,—nor yet of

being a subject, unless you please,—nor of engaging in war because

others do,—nor of keeping peace when others keep it, unless you desire

peace;—nor again, though there be a law that restrains you from

governing or administering justice, yet you no less shall govern and

administer justice, if so disposed? It is likely, said he;—in this

particular at least. But what; is not their lenience towards some of

those who are condemned very polite; and in such a government did you

never yet see its lenity towards men condemned to death or banishment,

who nevertheless remain there in open intercourse, the banished man,

too, returning like a hero as if no one attended to or observed him?

Aye, many, he replied. But this indulgence of the state,—not to mention

the small regard, and even contempt which it shows for all that we

deemed so important when settling our state, as that, unless a man had a

most exalted nature,[233] he would never become a good man, except he

had from childhood upwards delighted in noble actions, and diligently

followed all such pursuits;—how magnanimously does it despise and think

as naught all these things, evincing an utter disregard as to the kind

of pursuits from which a man comes to engage in politics, though it

honours him if he only declares himself well affected towards the

multitude? How very generous, he rejoined. These then, said I, and

others akin to these, are to be found in democracy; and it seems to be a

pleasant sort of government, both anarchical and variegated,

distributing a certain equality to all alike, both equals and unequals.

Aye, you say, he replied, what is perfectly well known.

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Footnote 233:

Gr. ὑπερβεβλημένην φύσιν. Euripides uses a similar expression in the

Alcestis, v. 155:—τί χρὴ γενέσθαι τὴν ὑπερβεβλημένην—γυναῖκα.

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CHAP. XII.—Consider then, said I, what kind of man such an one is in

private; or shall we first consider, as we did with respect to the

government, in what manner he is formed? Yes, said he. Is he not then

formed in this manner,—namely, from the parsimonious man who was under

the oligarchy,—as a son, trained up under his father according to his

habits? Of course. Such an one forcibly governs his own pleasures,—such

as are expensive, but not tending to the acquisition of wealth, which

are hence called unnecessary. It is plain, said he. That we may not

argue in the dark then, said I, let us first, if you please, determine

what desires are necessary, and what are not. Willingly, said he. May

not such be justly called necessary, which we cannot get rid of, and the

gratification of which does us service? For both these kinds our nature

must necessarily seek after; must it not? Quite so. This then, we may

justly say, is a necessary part to these desires? Justly. But what now?

Such desires as a man may relinquish, if he try to do so from his youth,

and which while they remain, do no good, if we say of these that they

are not necessary, shall we not say right? Right, indeed. Let us select

a pattern of each, that we may understand from example what they are.

Quite right. Is not the desire of eating necessary so far as is

conducive to health and a good habit of body, and the desire of food and

victuals? I think so. The desire of food, at least, is necessary on two

accounts, as being advantageous in itself, and because the want of it

must bring life to an end.[234] It is. And the desire of victuals is

likewise necessary, as contributing towards a good habit of body.

Certainly. But what?—even such desire as goes beyond these things, or

any other sorts of meats, and yet can be curbed from youth, and trained

to abstain from most things, and which is hurtful both to body and soul

as regards the attainment of wisdom and temperance, may not that be

rightly called unnecessary? Most rightly, indeed. May we not say then

that these too are expensive, and the others frugal, as they conduce

towards the actions of life? Of course. We may speak in the same manner,

surely, of venereal, and the other desires? In the same manner. And did

we not, by him whom we just now called the drone, indicate a person full

of such desires and pleasures, and governed by those that are

unnecessary; but one governed by those merely necessary, a parsimonious

man, and disposed to an oligarchy? Without doubt.

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Footnote 234:

Gr. ᾗ τε ὠφέλιμος σῖτος, ᾗ τε παῦσαι ζῶντα δυνατή,—i.e. if there be no

sufficient supply,—the general meaning being, that the desire for food

is not only useful, but indispensable to the maintenance of life.

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CHAP. XIII.—Let us again mention, said I, how the democratic man arises

out of the oligarchic; and to me he appears to arise chiefly thus. How?

When a young man brought up, as we now mentioned, without proper

instruction, and in niggard fashion, comes to taste the drones’ honey,

and associates with those fiery, terrible creatures who can procure all

sorts and varieties of pleasures, and from every quarter;—then you may

conceive, he somehow begins to change the oligarchic for the democratic

character. It must be so, he observed. Well then, just as the state was

changed by the aid of another party from without to which it was

related, is not the youth so changed likewise, through the aid of one

species of desires from without, to others within him, which resemble

them and are allied thereto? By all means. And methinks, if any alliance

should come to counteract the oligarchic principle within him, either

through his father or other relatives, admonishing and upbraiding him,

then truly will arise sedition, opposition, and an internal struggle

against himself. Undoubtedly. And sometimes, indeed, I think the

democratic yields to the oligarchic principle, and some of the desires

are destroyed, while others retire, because a certain modesty is

engendered in the youth’s soul, and he is again restored to order. This

is sometimes the case, said he. And again, I suppose, when some desires

retire, others allied to them secretly grow up, which through neglect of

parental instruction, become both many and powerful. This is usually the

case, said he. They draw them then towards the same intimacies as

before, and through their connexions secretly generate a multitude? What

else? And in the end, I think, they seize the citadel of the youth’s

soul, because they find it empty, as regards virtuous pursuits and true

reasoning,—the best guardians and preservers of the rational part of men

dear to the gods. Just so, said he. And then, indeed false and arrogant

reasonings and opinions rush up in their stead, and take their place in

such people. Assuredly, said he. And does he not then come once more,

and dwell openly among those Lotophagi?[235]—And if any aid come from

intimate friends to strengthen the parsimonious principle within him,

these said arrogant reasonings, by shutting against it the gates of the

royal wall, neither permit the alliance itself, nor allow the

ambassadorial admonitions of individual old men, but struggle against

them and maintain themselves in power;—and as for modesty, they call it

stupidity, and thrust it out into disgraceful exile, while temperance

they call unmanliness, load it with abuse, and then expel it;—and as for

moderation and decent expense, they persuade themselves that they are

nothing else but rusticity and illiberality, and banish them from their

territories, with many other unprofitable desires. Assuredly, they do.

Having emptied and purified from all these desires, the soul, thus held

by them, and initiated in the great mysteries,[236] they next introduce

with encomiums and false eulogies, indolence and anarchy, extravagance

and shamelessness, shining with a great retinue, and wearing

crowns,—calling insolence, good-breeding,—anarchy, liberty,—luxury,

magnificence,—and impudence, manliness. Is it not, said I, somehow

thus,—that a youth, after being bred up with necessary desires falls

away into the license and dissoluteness induced by needless and

unprofitable pleasures? Yes, plainly so, he replied. Such an one, then,

methinks, thenceforth passes his life, spending his property, labour,

and time as much on necessary as unnecessary pleasures, but if he be

fortunate and not unusually excited by passion, he, as he advances in

years, and the sovereignty of the passions is subdued, re-admits part of

those expelled, and does not deliver himself wholly up to mere

intruders, but regulates his pleasures on the principle of equality, and

so lives, giving himself up to each incidental desire that happens to

rule him, till he is sated,—and then another, undervaluing none, but

indulging all alike. Quite so, of course. And yet such an one, said I,

will not listen to true reasoning, nor admit it into his

stronghold,—should he be told that some pleasures are attached to

honourable and virtuous desires, others to those that are depraved, and

that he should pursue and honour the former, but chastise and hold

captive the latter,—but in all these cases will dissent, and say that

they are all alike, and to be held in equal honour. Assuredly, said he,

one thus affected, does this. Well then, said I, thus does he daily

live, gratifying every incidental desire, sometimes getting drunk to the

sound of the flute, at others temperately drinking water,—at others,

again exercising gymnastics; sometimes indolent and wholly careless;

then again applying, as it were, to philosophy,—often too acting the

politician, saying and doing by skips and jumps whatever comes

first:—and if he would imitate any of the military tribe, thither he is

carried; if the mercantile, then again thither; nor is his life

regulated by any plan or law, but, deeming this particular life

pleasant, and free, and blessed, he follows it throughout. You have most

fully described, said he, the life of the man who places all laws on a

level. I at least am of opinion, said I, that he is multiform, and

filled with different habits; like the state, too, he is handsome and of

varied complexion, a man whose life many men and women would emulate,

because he contains within himself numerous patterns both of forms of

government and moral habits. He does, said he. What then? Have we then

so described and arranged such an one on the principles of democracy, as

that he may be truly called one of democratic character. We will allow

that it has, said he.

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Footnote 235:

These Lotophagi are described by Homer, Odyss. ix. 94, &c.

Footnote 236:

Allusion is here made to the Eleusinian mysteries, which after certain

lustrations and sacrifices, were successively communicated to those in

course of initiation,—first, the lesser mysteries (μικρὰ τέλη), and

six months subsequently, the greater (τὰ μεγάλα τέλη).

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CHAP. XIV.[237]—It still remains, however, that we discuss, said I, that

most excellent form of government and that most excellent man,—tyranny

and the tyrant. Surely, said he. Come then, my dear fellow;—what is the

manner in which tyranny arises?—for it is almost plain, that it is a

change from democracy. Plain. Does not tyranny arise in the same manner

from democracy, as democracy does from oligarchy? How—as respects the

good then, which oligarchy proposed to itself, and according to which it

was constituted; was it not with a view of becoming extremely rich? Yes.

An insatiable desire then for riches, and a neglect of all besides,

through attention to the acquisition of wealth, destroys it. True, said

he. And with reference to what democracy denominates good, an insatiable

thirst for it destroys it likewise? But what say you, it denominates as

good? Liberty, said I:—for this, you are told, is best found in a state

under democratic rule, and hence any one naturally free would choose to

dwell in this alone. This word liberty, said he, is vastly much talked

about. Well then, observed I, as I was just going to say, does not the

insatiable desire for this, and the neglect of other things, change even

the form of government, and prepare it to need a tyrant? How? said he.

When a state, said I, is under democratic rule, thirsts after liberty,

and happens to have bad cupbearers appointed it, and gets immoderately

drunk with an unmixed draught thereof, it punishes even the governors,

unless they be quite tame-spirited, and allow them excessive liberty, by

accusing them of being corrupt and oligarchical. They do so, said he.

But such as obey the magistrates, said I, it abuses as willing and

good-for-nothing slaves; both publicly and in private they commending

and honouring magistrates who resemble subjects, and subjects who

resemble magistrates: must it not happen in such a state, that we must

necessarily arrive at the acme of liberty? Of course. And must it not

descend, too, my friend, said I, into private families, and at last

reach even the brutes? How, said he, can we assert aught like this? For

instance, said I, when a father gets used to become like his child, and

fears his sons, and the son [in like manner] his father, and has neither

respect nor fear of his parents, in order, forsooth, that he may be

free;—and thus a mere resident is placed on a level with a citizen, and

a resident with a stranger, and so likewise a foreigner. Just so, said

he. Aye, these indeed happen, said I, and other similar little things

also:—and in such cases a teacher fears and flatters his scholars, and

the scholars despise their teachers, and so also their tutors; and on

the whole the youths resemble those more advanced in years, and rival

them both in speech and action: while the old men sit down with the

young, and imitate them in their love of merriment and pleasantry, for

fear of appearing morose and despotic. Quite so, of course, replied he.

But as to this extreme liberty of the multitude, said I, what a height

it attains in a state like this, where purchased slaves, male or female,

are no less free than their purchasers, and how much equality and

liberty wives enjoy with their husbands, and husbands with their

wives,—this we have almost forgotten to mention. Are we not then to say,

according to Æschylus, he observed, whatever now comes into our mouth?

By all means, said I; and accordingly I thus speak:—with reference even

to brutes, such as are under the care of men, how much more free they

are in such a state; he who has no experience thereof will not easily

believe—for according to the proverb, even dogs resemble their

mistresses;[238] and horses and asses are used to run about at large,

surlily driving against whomsoever they meet, unless they get out of

their way; and many other such-like things happen, that indicate an

abundance of liberty. You are just telling me my dream, said he, for

this has often happened to me when going into the country. But do you

observe, said I, when all these things are collected together in a

whole, that they make the soul of the citizens so sensitive, that if

they were any how to be brought into slavery, they would be indignant

and not endure it;—for in the end, you know, they regard laws neither

written nor unwritten, and hence no one will by any means become their

master? I know it well, said he.

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Footnote 237:

A large portion of this and the following chapter will be found

rendered into Latin in Cicero de Republ. i. ch. 43, 44.

Footnote 238:

The proverb here alluded to runs thus, according to the

scholiast:—οἱάπερ ἡ δέσποινα, τοία χἁ κύων. The adage from Æschylus,

somewhat above, is of an origin equally unknown.

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CHAP. XV.—This then, said I, my friend, I suppose, is that government so

beautiful and youthful, whence tyranny springs. Youthful, indeed, he

replied; but what then? The same malady, said I, that existed in an

oligarchy, destroys this form likewise; rising also to a higher pitch of

power, and enslaving the democracy by its very licentiousness; for, in

fact, the doing of anything to excess usually causes great change in an

opposite direction: and so it is in the seasons, as in vegetable and

animal bodies, and so also not least of all in forms of government.

Probably so, said he. Aye, for excessive liberty seems only to

degenerate into excessive slavery, either in private individuals or

states. It is probable, indeed. Probably then, said I, tyranny is

established out of no other form than democracy;—out of the highest

degree of liberty, methinks, the greatest and fiercest slavery. Yes, it

is reasonable, said he. This, however, methinks, said I, was not what

you asked:—but what is that same disease which arises in an oligarchy

and a democracy, and reduces each to slavery? Your remark is true,

replied he. I meant, said I, that there was a race of idle and profuse

men, the bravest of whom were the leaders, and the more cowardly their

followers, whom indeed we compared to drones; some to those with stings,

others to those without stings. Rightly too, said he. These two now,

said I, when they spring up in a government, disturb it, just like

phlegm and bile in a natural body,—and against these it is the duty of a

wise physician and lawgiver of a state, no less than of a wise

bee-master, to take much fore-caution,—first, that they never gain

admittance;—and if they should enter, that they be as soon as possible

cut off, with their cells as well. Yes, by Zeus, said he; altogether so.

CHAP. XVI.—Let us thus then conceive the matter, said I, that we may

more distinctly see what we want. How? Let us ideally divide a

democratic state into three parts, as it in fact is; for some such

classification is natural to it, owing to its liberty, no less than to

an oligarchy. It is so. Yet it is much more fierce at least in this than

in the former. How? In an oligarchy, from not being held in honour, but

excluded from the magisterial office, it is unexercised and gains no

strength;—but in a democracy it is, with a few exceptions, the presiding

party, the fiercest of them ever talking and agitating, while the rest

bustle about at the law-courts, and cannot endure any one else to speak

differently from itself; and thus all things, with only a few

exceptions, under such a government, are managed by a party. Very much

the case, said he. Some other party, then, is always separated from the

multitude. Which? While the general body are engaged in the pursuit of

gain, such as are naturally the most temperate generally become the

wealthiest. Very probably. And hence is it, methinks, that the greatest

quantity of honey, and what comes with the greatest ease, is pressed out

of these by the drones. Yes,—for how, said he, can any one press it from

those who have but little? Such wealthy people, I think, are called the

pasture of the drones. Nearly so, replied he. And the people will be a

sort of third species,—such as mind their own affairs, without meddling

with others, who have little property, but are yet the most numerous,

and most prevailing in a democracy, whenever it is densely populated. It

is so; but this it will not often consent to do without getting some

share of the honey. This class, of course, always obtains a share, said

I, as far as their leaders are able, by robbing those that have

property, and giving it to the people, in order that they may eat most

themselves. Aye, said he, that is the way in which these become sharers.

These, then, are obliged to defend themselves. Those thus despoiled are

compelled to defend themselves, saying and doing all they can among the

people. Of course. And though they have no inclination to introduce a

change of government, they are charged with forming plots and plans

against the common people, and being oligarchally disposed. What next?

After seeing that the people, not willingly, but through ignorance and

the impositions of these slanderers, attempt to injure them, do they not

then, indeed, even against their wills, become truly oligarchic?—though

not spontaneously, for this very mischief is generated by the drone that

stings them. Quite so. And so they lay informations, make lawsuits, and

have contests one with another. Very much so. And are not the people

always used to place some one in special presidency over themselves, and

to cherish him, and promote him to great power? They are. And this, said

I, is plain, that whenever a tyrant rises, it is from the fact of thus

presiding, and nothing else, that he flourishes. This is very clear.

How, then, begins the change from a president into a tyrant?—is it not

clearly when the president begins to do the same as is told in the

fable, about the temple of the Lycean Zeus, to whom the wolf was

dedicated in Arcadia? What is that? said he. That whoever tastes human

entrails mixed with those of other offerings, must necessarily become a

wolf:—have you not heard the story? I have. Well, then, supposing him to

be thus the president of the people, and having to deal with an

extremely compliant multitude, he should not refrain from shedding even

kindred blood, but by unjust charges, as usual, should bring men into

the law-courts and murder them, as if he set no value on human life,

and, tasting with unholy month and tongue even the blood of relations,

should banish men and slay them, proposing the abolition of debts and

fresh division of lands,—must not such an one of necessity, and by

destiny, be either destroyed by his enemies, or else act the tyrant, and

from a man, become a wolf? Of great necessity, said he. This then, is

he, said I—the same who rises in sedition against those who have

property. Yes. And when he has been banished and returns against the

will of his adversaries, he comes back, of course, an accomplished

tyrant. It is plain. And if they cannot expel him, or put him to death

on a state accusation, then they conspire to cut him off privately by a

violent death. It usually so happens, he observed. And besides this, all

who have advanced to this station invent _this_ much-vaunted tyrannical

demand, asking the people for certain body-guards, that the people’s aid

may be secured them. Of this, said he, they take special care. And

methinks they grant them this through fear of his safety, though secure

as to their own. Quite so. And when a man observes this, who has

property, and who, besides that, is further charged with hating the

people,—he then, my friend, according to the answer of the oracle to

Crœsus,

... To pebble-bedded Hermus flies,

Nor waits the brand of cowardice;[239]...

because he would not, said he, be a second time in fear. But surely,

said I, he at least, methinks, that is caught, is put to death. Of

necessity so. It is plain, then, that this president of our state does

not like a noble person, nobly lie,[240] but, after hurling down many

others, sits in his chair of office, a consummate tyrant of the

state,—and not a president. Of course, he is likely to be so, rejoined

he.

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Footnote 239:

The same oracular legend occurs in Herodotus, Clio, ch. 55.

Footnote 240:

Comp. Hom. Il. xvi. 776; Odyss. xxiv. 39.

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CHAP. XVII.—Shall we then examine the happiness both of the man and the

state, in which such a mortal as this is engendered? Let us do so by all

means, said he. Does he not, then, said I, in the first days, and for a

brief season, smile and salute every one he meets, and asserting himself

to be no tyrant, and promise many things, both in public and private,

and liberate men from debts, and distribute land both to the public and

those about him, and affect to be mild and liberal towards all? He must,

replied he. But, methinks, when he becomes reconciled to some of his

foreign enemies, and has destroyed others, and there is quiet respecting

these, he first of all is ever exciting wars, that the people may be in

need of a leader. Aye, that is likely. Is it not also then, that, being

rendered poor by contributing to the public treasury, they may be

compelled to be anxious for daily sustenance, and so less readily

conspire against him? Plainly so. And methinks, if he suspects that any

of a free spirit will not allow him to govern,—in order that he may have

some pretext for destroying them, he exposes them to the enemy; for all

these reasons a tyrant must necessarily be always raising war.

Necessarily so. And, while he is doing these things, he will necessarily

become more hateful to the citizens. Of course. And, therefore, some of

those who have been promoted along with him and are in power, use great

plainness of speech, towards him and among themselves, finding fault

with what is done,—such at least, as are of a more manly spirit. Aye,

probably so. The tyrant, therefore, if he means to govern, must cut off

all these, till he leave no one, either friend or foe, worth anything.

It is plain. He must carefully notice them,—who is courageous, who is

magnanimous, who wise, who rich; and in this manner is he happy, that,

willing or unwilling, he is under a necessity of being an enemy to all

like these; and to form plots against them, till he has purged the

state. A fine purging indeed! said he. Yes, said I, the reverse of what

the physicians do with regard to animal bodies; for they take away the

worst and leave the best; but he does the contrary. Because it seems,

said he, if he is to govern, he must necessarily do so.

CHAP. XVIII.—By a blessed necessity, then truly, is he bound, said I;

which compels him either to live with a depraved multitude,—hated by

them too, or not live at all. In such necessity he is, he replied. And

the more he is hated by the citizens whilst he does these things, will

he not so much the more require a greater number of guards, and those

more faithful? It is impossible he should not. Who then are the

faithful, and whence shall he procure them? Many, said he, will come

flying to him of their own accord, if he give them pay. By the dog, said

I, you seem again to be talking of certain drones, both foreign and

multiform. Aye, you think right, replied he. But those of the state

itself,—would he not desire to have them also as guards? How? After he

has taken away the slaves from the citizens, would he not give them

their liberty, and make of them guards about his person? By all means,

said he; for these are the most faithful to him. What a blessed

possession of the tyrants, said I, is this which you mention, if he

employ such friends and faithful men, after having destroyed the former

ones! But at any rate, said he, such he surely does employ. And then his

companions, said I, admire him, and the young citizens flock around him:

but those that are respectable men both hate and fly from him. Of course

they would. It is not without reason, then, said I, that tragedy is

generally thought a wise thing, and that Euripides is thought to excel

in it. Why? Because he uttered this, the result of deep reflection, that

tyrants are wise, by intercourse with the wise;—and he plainly said,

those were wise with whom they hold converse. And he commends tyranny

too, said he, as some divine thing, and says a great deal else about it,

as do the other poets. Those composers then of tragedy, said I, as they

are wise, will forgive both ourselves and others who establish

governments analogous to our own, for not admitting them into our

republic, as being panegyrists of tyranny. Methinks, said he, such of

them, at least, as are well mannered, will forgive us. But they will go

about through other states, methinks, drawing together the crowds, and

put to sale their fine, magnificent, and persuasive words, and so draw

over governments to tyrannies and democracies. Just so. And do they not

further receive rewards and are specially honoured, first by tyrants, as

is natural, and next by a democracy; but the higher they advance in the

forms of government, the more does honour forsake them, disabled as it

were by an asthma from pursuing its progress. Entirely so.

CHAP. XIX.—Thus far, said I, have we digressed: and now let us go back

and talk about the army of the tyrant, beautiful as it is numerous,

multiform, and ever the same,—how it is to be maintained. It is plain,

said he, that whatever sacred things there be in the state, these they

will despoil, and make the sale-proceeds therefrom to be such from time

to time as to cause the commons to pay lighter taxes. But when these

fail, what will they do? It is plain, said he, that he and his

boon-companions, and associates, male and female, will be maintained out

of his paternal inheritance. I understand, said I:—the party that made

the tyrant is to maintain him and his companions. Surely it must be so,

replied he. How, say you? replied I:—if the people were to be enraged,

and say, that it is not just for a son arrived at mature age to be

maintained by the father, but on the contrary, the father by the son,

and that he did not beget and bring him up for this purpose, to be

himself a slave to his slaves after they have grown up, and to maintain

him and his slaves with the rest of the riotous crew,[241]—but rather

that under his auspices he might be liberated from the rich in the the

state, [who are also called the good and worthy]:—and now he orders him

and his companions to leave the state as a father drives from home his

son and his rackety boon-fellows. By Zeus, then, the people, said he,

such as they are, will know what sort of a creature they have begotten,

embraced, and nurtured, and that being themselves the weaker party, they

are still trying to drive out the stronger. How say you, replied I;—will

the tyrant dare to offer violence to his father, and actually strike him

if he will not yield? Yes, said he, for he has stripped him of his

armour. The tyrant, said I, you call a parricide and a hard-hearted

nourisher of old age; and this, as it seems, would be an acknowledged

tyranny; and, as the saying is,—the common people, flying from the smoke

of slavery among freemen, have fallen into the slavish fire of

despotism, and instead of excessive and unreasonable liberty, they

embrace the most rigorous and bitterest captivity of actual slaves.

Aye,—this is very much the case, rejoined he. What then, said I, may it

not be concluded with due consideration, that we have shown in

sufficient detail how tyranny arises out of democracy, and its nature

also, when it does arise? Quite sufficiently, of course, replied he.

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Footnote 241:

Gr. ξυγκλύδων ἄλλων. The word ξύγκλυς means the vilest and most

worthless scum of the people. Comp. Thucyd. vii. 5, where it is used

in the same sense.

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