10. Special provision for the tuberculous.

If, after written notice has been given, any institution furnishing

medical care and treatment to patients of the United States Veterans’

Bureau fails or refuses to make reasonable effort to meet the foregoing

requirements, such institution will be deemed to be rendering

unsatisfactory service, and if under contract with the United States

Veterans’ Bureau, such contract may be cancelled, and the Director will

refuse to make contracts when the care and treatment offered do not

substantially meet the requirements specified herein.

[Illustration:

LEON FRASER

Acting Director,

U. S. Veterans’ Bureau.

]

SENIOR SURGEON B. J. LLOYD, (U.S.P.H.S.,(R)): presented the second paper,

entitled “Admissions to, Transfers and Discharges from Hospitals of

Beneficiaries of the U. S. Veterans’ Bureau,” which is given below:

“I do not often speak in public. Occasionally I attempt to speak

extemporaneously, but today I shall claim your indulgence and confine my

remarks strictly to what is written in this manuscript, for the reason

that if taken in a disconnected sense some of the things I shall say

might sound sensational, whereas if taken in a connected sense and in

the way I shall say them, I think you will agree with me that there is

absolutely nothing sensational in my remarks.

Attendance at this conference is indeed both a privilege and an

opportunity. To be asked to address this gathering is a distinction

worthy of the best that can be said on the topic assigned.

I take it that you are already familiar with the rights and benefits to

which the disabled ex-service man is entitled; that you are familiar

with the usual routine of paper work and other procedures in admitting,

transferring and discharging, and I shall therefore omit some of the

more or less definitely settled, fixed policies in this discussion.

I fully realize that my subject is an extremely important one and that

it is in a measure connected with nearly every benefit extended to the

ex-service man or woman, and with every service that is rendered in his

or her behalf. On the intelligent administration of the functions of

admission, transfer and discharge to, or from our hospitals, as the case

may be, depends, in great measure, not only the economical and efficient

administration of our entire hospital program, but in equal measure the

recovery, the health, the happiness, the future usefulness, even the

very lives of men and women, many of whom have made great sacrifices and

passed through great agonies.

When I make these assertions, do not think for a moment that I am

comparing these functions with the actual volume of work that is done in

the hospitals, with the relief that is given therein, nor with the

benefits which accrue to the patient, but, just as victory in a great

battle may depend on the placing of the right troops in the right place

at the right time, so victory, in the struggle of the disabled

ex-service man for rehabilitation, for health, or for life, may depend

on his being sent to the right hospital at the right time. Neither must

he be discharged too soon, nor kept too long, and when he is transferred

from one hospital to another there should be sound medical reasons

therefor, barring those unfortunate cases, where the beneficiary may be

transferred to a hospital near his home when it is seen that death is

inevitable.

Going back now to the contact which hospitalization makes, or should

make, with the other benefits extended to the ex-service man, let me

picture to you the state of our past, and to a great extent, our present

organization, by recalling to your minds the old story of the six blind

men of Hindustan who went to see the elephant, each trying to tell what

the elephant was like. The first man got hold of the elephant’s ear and

said that the animal was very like a fan; the second got hold of his leg

and said, “No, I can’t agree with you; this elephant is like a young

tree.” The third man got hold of the elephant’s trunk and said, “The

elephant is like a snake.” The fourth man grasped a tusk and said that

the elephant was like a spear; the fifth fell against his side and said

he was like a wall; and the sixth got hold of his tail and said he was

like a rope. Now all were partly right and each was mostly wrong, and a

somewhat similar condition exists with regard to our work.

This meeting, gentlemen, is an attempt to further co-ordinate the

efforts of all the agencies that are at work for the ex-service man.

Ours is a tremendous responsibility, both from the standpoint of our

duty to the ex-service man and of our duty to the taxpayer as well.

No man except the man in the field knows better than I do that you have

been circularized and regulated and instructed and uninstructed,

informed and misinformed, ordered and dis-ordered, until I have no doubt

you have been tempted to slam your fist down on your desk and say,

“Well, for Heaven’s sake, how many bosses have I, anyway, and which lead

had I better follow.” And as for reports, no doubt you have wondered,

“Well, what _will_ they want to know next?” And yet there has generally

been a fairly good reason for every question you have been asked and a

reasonably intelligent, honest, and often an enthusiastic, and sometimes

an efficient man or woman behind the interrogation point.

In addition to having all these things done to you, I suspect that you

and your colleagues in the hospitals, some of you at least, feel that

you have been libelled and slandered by newspapers whose editors thought

they were telling the truth, and by newspapers whose editors probably

did not stop to consider whether they were telling the truth or not. You

probably feel that you have been libelled and slandered, unintentionally

of course, by men inside of legislative halls, and also, again perhaps

unintentionally, if carelessly, by men and women outside of legislative

halls, and by men and women both inside and outside of well-meaning

civic organizations. And, I may say that in the Arlington Building in

this city there are reams of evidence which might be cited in support of

your beliefs, and at “C” Building at 7th and B Streets, there are

tri-remes of such evidence, and these reams and tri-remes of evidence

have cost the Government of the United States thousands, tens of

thousands, yes, hundreds of thousands of dollars for investigations,

when, as a matter of fact, the majority of the complaints that have been

filed against hospital administration need never have been investigated

by the Government at all if the individual who submitted the complaint

had taken the trouble to do a little honest investigating on his or her

own account.

The fact that these statements have been made with the best intentions

in the world does not lessen the injustice contained in many of the

charges, nor does it remove the sting which has accompanied these

charges, and you, gentlemen, have listened to the soft pedal on the

inside and to jazz on the outside until you have probably said, “For the

love of justice, is there not some man who has grit enough to get up in

public and tell the truth and say what he thinks?”

But, gentlemen, it will not always do to talk back. Actions speak louder

than words, even though they do not make as much noise, and Solomon was

right when a few centuries ago he remarked that “A soft answer turneth

away wrath.” We must _always_ maintain a courteous, gentlemanly,

dignified attitude. We must never for a moment allow our sympathies for

the deserving unfortunate ex-service man to become in the least

weakened, and we must continue to give him the benefit of the doubt in

border-line cases, and finally we must maintain our equanimity under the

most trying circumstances.

And now that we have you here, we are going to ask you some more

questions, and I hope you know the answers, because I don’t know the

answers to some of these questions myself, nor do I intend to answer

them.

In passing, I might remind you of the fact that in times past we have

spent money very freely on our hospital program, and that while we still

desire to give our beneficiaries what is perhaps a little more than

reasonable medical and surgical care and treatment, at the same time we

must be able to show Congress that we are operating economically under

present conditions, and certainly, when not in conflict with the

patients’ rights or interests, the question of economy of administration

must be considered in admitting, transferring and discharging. Are we

giving this question of economy of administration the proper

consideration in performing these functions, and if not, what are the

reasons? We want to know. This I will label “Question No. 1,” and let

you think it over for a while. It is perhaps not the most important

question I shall ask but it is important.

Now, having delivered myself of this question, and not having answered

it, I suppose you are ready for Question No. 2. Well, I am not. I want

to talk a little before I spring the next question. Of course we all

know that the primary object in placing a man in a hospital is to give

him a chance to get well, or as nearly well as possible. This, however,

is not the only thing to be accomplished in the hospitalization of

patients of the Veterans’ Bureau, and, if I may speak frankly, I may say

that, while theoretically, hospitalization, rehabilitation, and the

awarding of compensation ought to dovetail into each other without any

overlapping or getting in each other’s way, as a matter of fact they

won’t do it,—at least they haven’t done it so far; but, nevertheless,

we’ve got to make the best possible connection between these functions.

Let us hark back to Regulation No. 57 of the old Bureau of War Risk

Insurance, which gave temporary total disability to the beneficiary

whose disability showed Service connection, together with compensation

at this high rate as soon as the man entered the hospital, and which cut

down this compensation anywhere from $80 per month to nothing at all as

soon as the beneficiary left the hospital. Although this Regulation has

been somewhat modified recently, it is still a very strong incentive for

men to seek hospitalization. It takes an unusually patriotic citizen to

take $30 to $60 a month or less when he can get $80 a month and board

and lodging if he can remain inside of a hospital.

Apropos of this provision, I recall the circumstances of a young man who

came to me quite some time ago, having left the hospital at Fort

McHenry. He presented himself in a courteous, dignified way, was

perfectly serious and absolutely frank. He began the interview by

handing me the card of a U. S. Senator. Then he told me his story, and

it was a good story. I shall try to recall it as nearly in his own

language as possible. “Doctor”, said he, “I have just left your hospital

at Fort McHenry. I do not like it. I realize that the Public Health

Service is not to blame for conditions which I found there. It is not

suited for a hospital. It is badly located. There are odors which it

seems impossible to overcome. The walls and floors are dingy, and while

they are clean, they cannot be made to look clean.

“I was shot through the stomach by a machine gun. Here are the scars. If

I do not work hard I feel fairly comfortable, and yet I am not well, I

receive $30 a month when I am outside the hospital, I receive $80 a

month and my board and room when I am in the hospital. Personally I

would much prefer to remain at home, but when I work hard enough to make

a living I break down. I have seen so many men in the hospital who are

receiving their board and lodging and their $80 a month who are not as

deserving of this as I am that I do not propose to remain at home and

work on my present compensation, and I would just like to see you keep

me out of a hospital. And furthermore, I demand to be sent to the

hospital of my choice. What are you going to do about it?”

I replied, “Young man, you have been unusually frank in what you have

said. I shall be equally frank with you. If I had been wounded as you

have, and if I had the information which you have gained from your stay

in different hospitals, I should probably make the same demands. You can

have your transportation whenever you want it.”

I saw this young man later at No. 38 in New York and he told me that he

was about to get what he considered a satisfactory rate of compensation,

and that as soon as he could get it he would go home.

Question No. 2. How many men are there in our hospitals today who would

voluntarily leave if we did not, by providing total disability rating

and compensation while in the hospital, place a premium on their

remaining there? How many of those who would leave really ought to

leave? What can be done to correct the defects in the operation of

Regulation No. 57, modified as it has been? Perhaps you think I am

giving you several questions in one, but we will still label if

“Question No. 2.” I am not alone in desiring to know the answer to that

question.

Before I go any further let me say that I regard admissions, transfers

and discharges as such closely related operations that I shall not

attempt to treat them separately, but shall discuss them in any sequence

that may be convenient.

I assume that all of you have been advised that under General Order No.

59, the allocation, distribution and transfer of patients of the

Veterans’ Bureau are functions and prerogatives of that Bureau.

Theoretically, none of the Services has anything to say about these

matters. Practically, if I have not misunderstood the intent of this

General Order, it does not mean that, altogether. The actual authority

for and the right to refuse transfers certainly is vested in the

Veterans’ Bureau and its representatives, but the Veterans’ Bureau and

the District Medical Officers and District Managers depend on you to

tell them when you think transfers ought to be made. Admission to a

given hospital is the prerogative of the Veterans’ Bureau within certain

limits; that is, the Service concerned must be able to take and care for

the class of patient sent by the Veterans’ Bureau.

With regard to the discharge of patients from hospitals, the Veterans’

Bureau is continually encroaching, perhaps unavoidably, on what was once

the prerogative of the Medical Officer in Charge and the Service which

operated the hospital. Blanket authority for field transfers from one

district to another has been entirely withdrawn, and District Officers

must either place immediately in an authorized hospital in an adjacent

district, as specified in General Order No. 59, or, having placed for

observation or diagnosis a patient in a hospital within their own

districts, must apply to the central office if it is desired to transfer

later. It is, or should be, understood that under the present regime,

that Medical Officers in charge of hospitals who regard transfers as

necessary must request the District Office to make these transfers if

within the district, and must request the District Offices to obtain

authority from the Central Office if it is desired to transfer outside

of the District.

Several questions suggest themselves with regard to General Order No.

59, and perhaps I should label this series of questions “No. 3.”

(a) Has General Order No. 59 lessened the number of ill-advised and

unnecessary transfers, which is one of the objects, I believe, that were

intended to be accomplished.

(b) Has General Order No, 59 caused any marked fluctuation in the

patient personnel of any of the hospitals? I notice, for example, that

Public Health Service Hospital No. 53, Dwight, Ill., has recently

dropped from occupied beds to 65 in number, giving a surplus of 165

unoccupied beds. Houston, Texas, has dropped from occupied beds to

443 beds, giving a surplus of 528 unoccupied beds. At No. 32, Mount

Alto, Washington, there is a ward for colored patients which will

accommodate 30, in which there are only 6 colored patients at the

present time. Are these fluctuations coincidences or are they the effect

of the Veterans’ Bureau having assumed the functions under discussion.

Of course if we could be sure that these reductions in-patient personnel

are going to be permanent it would not make any difference. We could cut

down our working personnel at a hospital like Houston, Texas, and with

the consent of the Veterans’ Bureau we could close a hospital like

Dwight, Ill., but will the pendulum swing in the other direction again,

and what advance information can the Veterans’ Bureau give these

fluctuations and of their approximate duration?

(c) Have you received very many patients who, owing to their condition

or to the nature of your facilities, or both, should never have been

sent to your hospital?

(d) Has General Order No. 59 tended to delay the turnover in those

general hospitals having special wards for psychoneurotic and psychotic

patients, who are detained for a short time only until they can be

otherwise disposed of?

(e) Should General Order No. 59 be modified, and if so, in what

particulars?

Having delivered this third volley of questions, I shall talk a little

more. I have no idea what opportunities you gentlemen have had to become

familiar with the facilities at hospitals other than your own. I have no

idea what information District Managers and District Medical Officers

have of hospitals and conditions in Districts other than their own.

General Order No. 59 of course attempted to convey some idea of the

facilities in all of the hospitals used by the Veterans’ Bureau, but it

was impossible to incorporate anything like a comprehensive statement

with regard to these facilities. Quite recently, at the request of Dr.

Guthrie, and with the assistance of men in both Bureaus, I prepared a

questionnaire for all the hospitals, asking what your general conditions

and facilities were like. Most of the hospitals have answered this

questionnaire, and the information obtained is exceedingly valuable.

Practically without exception the answers have been concise, complete

and exactly what was asked. Those of you who have not answered please do

so as soon as you can. I wish it were possible to print or mimeograph

these reports and distribute them. Certainly anyone who is charged with

the responsibility of placement and transfer of patients should have

access to these reports.

While I am on this subject of facilities, let me invite attention to the

fact that there are marked differences in the kinds of facilities

offered by different hospitals and by the hospitals of the different

Services. Let me also invite attention to the fact that we have patients

who, if properly distributed, would fit into these different

institutions possibly in a much more satisfactory way than at present

and at a smaller expense. Particularly I suspect that there are many

patients in Public Health Service hospitals that do not need the highly

specialized and necessarily expensive care that these hospitals are

giving, and I also suspect that there are many vacant beds in our

Soldiers’ Homes where these patients can be given all they need at a

much less expense than is possible in the highly developed hospitals of

the Public Health Service, and possibly those of the Army and Navy as

well. Why would not this be a good time to arrange for the prompt

transfer of such patients? Europe has found the Convalescent Home to be

an economical institution, being much less expensive than the hospital.

Why may not our Soldier’s Homes be used for convalescents and those who

need relatively little medical care and treatment, but who are still not

well enough to be thrown on their own resources? These questions I shall

not number. They just crept in.

There is one class of beneficiary that none of the Services seems to be

prepared to handle satisfactorily, possibly due to the fact that

legislation is needed to deal with this class. There may be a solution

other than legislation but none of us has thought of it as yet. I refer

to the drug addict who is entitled to hospitalization for some Service

connected disability. We haven’t any place to put such patients and we

do not know what to do with them after we put them there. We do manage

to take care of some of them but at great inconvenience, and without

being able to treat them for their own best interests. We cannot get

them admitted as irresponsibles by the Courts. We have no such thing as

involuntary commitment, and if one of them desires to walk out of the

hospital, out he walks if he is persistent enough about it, and we

cannot stop it. This is a good time to say something about what we might

to with these cases.

I have said very little about discharges for the reason that

disciplinary discharges are to be treated by another speaker, and

Regulations Nos. 26 and 26–A, bearing on this subject are to be

discussed by Doctor Guthrie, who follows me on the program. I will say,

however, that this subject is an important one and I can easily

understand that from the standpoint of the man in charge of a hospital

present procedures with regard to discharges are unsatisfactory. On the

other hand, I can understand that when a man is in a hospital it affords

an excellent opportunity to settle once and for all his claims for the

various benefits provided by law, and yet I think it is right that the

Veterans’ Bureau should accomplish these objects before the man is ready

to be discharged. As yet this is not being done.

In conclusion, Gentlemen, I may say that as I see it, those of you who

are in charge of hospitals are, if you will pardon the expression,

between the devil and the deep blue sea. You are told one minute that if

you exceed your allotment you will go to jail, and in the next breath

you are told to go the limit if it is for the ex-service man. You have

been told that there is room for improvement in your hospitals. No doubt

there is, but in my humble opinion there is also room for improvement in

the laws providing these benefits, in the orders, regulations and

procedures designed to administer these laws, and last but not least,

there is a crying need for some means of creating a sane public

sentiment that will enable the public servant to discriminate between

the man who really has a serious disability which he got in the Service

who deserves our help and our sympathy, and to whom you and I would give

the shirts off our backs if need be, and the man who spent a few days or

a few weeks in camp who is not really disabled but who proposes to live

at the expense of the tax payer just as long as he can get away with it.

We, Gentlemen, are not responsible for the law, nor is the Director, and

the Director has men who tell him what the law is and he has to obey it

and so do we, but it is our duty to point out defects in the law and try

to get them remedied.”

SURGEON M. C. GUTHRIE (U.S.P.H.S.) had for his subject, “Discussion—General

Order No. 26”, and spoke as follows:

“The subject assigned to me for discussion is General Order No. 26. This

refers to U. S. Veterans’ Bureau General Order No. 26, dated September

6th, 1921, the subject of which is: “Admission to and Treatment in

Hospitals of the U. S. Veterans’ Bureau Beneficiaries.” You are

doubtless all familiar with the general provisions of this order.

It goes without saying that any definite order or instruction which

effects the policies and functions of the U. S. Veterans’ Bureau and

which may be issued to the field is sure of a series of return

re-actions from various parts of the country, both as to the manner in

which such an order is applied and as to the consequences of its

application. These reactions are naturally good, bad, and indifferent;

exact and truthful statements or colored as to the manner in which they

affect the various individuals in its application, but coming from all

parts of the United States they afford many valuable and effective

criticisms of the order in question and are illuminating as to the

original intent of the order and the amount of deviation or variation

from its original purpose brought about by the manner in which it is put

into effect.

The criticisms of General Order No. 26 had to do very largely with the

“Four Days’ Notice” clause, and because of the fact that large numbers

of beneficiaries in hospitals were being discharged without provisions

having been made for out-patient care, dental care, physiotherapy, or

other treatment where such was indicated and necessary; that patients

were being discharged without having proper arrangements made for

vocational training where the patient in question was feasible for some

kind of training and was anxious to get it; that many such patients had

to leave a hospital when they were receiving no compensation or where

adjustments or readjustments of matters related to compensation needed

to be carried out here.

These were the dominant and outstanding criticisms which followed the

issuance of General Order No. 26, and as a result of these criticisms,

it was considered advisable to issue a supplemental order correcting the

defects complained of. Accordingly General Order No. 26–A came out under

date of November 17, 1921.

The re-actions to General Order No. 26 were as I have just stated and

came largely from the Bureau beneficiaries, from friends, relatives, and

allied agencies working in the field. The criticisms of General Order

No. 26–A, however, came largely from the hospitals and the District

offices, the hospitals particularly. There was an apparent contradiction

between the two orders. No. 26–A seemed to largely or entirely

contradict the provisions of the original Order No. 26. General Order

No. 26 stated that patients not requiring further hospital treatment

should be given four days to complete personal arrangements and then be

discharged.

General Order No. 26–A requires that before a patient is discharged from

hospital it should be determined whether or not he is in further need of

out-patient care; whether or not he is feasible and eligible for

vocational training and if he wanted training, that this should be

arranged before he is discharged, and that the necessary adjustments or

re-adjustments of all matters pertaining to a claimant’s compensation be

entirely completed by the time of his discharge from hospital; and

further it must be distinctly understood in carrying out all of this

that no unnecessary delay in discharge of patients would be allowed. A

pretty complex and contradictory situation you might say. However,

between the time of the issuance of General Order No. 26 and of General

Order No. 26–A—to be exact, on October 14, 1921, a general order was

addressed by the Medical Division of the U. S. Veterans’ Bureau to the

several Government services—the Surgeons General of the Army, Navy, U.

S. Public Health Service, the Superintendent of the National Homes for

Disabled Volunteer Soldiers, the Superintendent of St. Elizabeth’s

Hospital, and to the fourteen District Managers. The essential parts of

this letter are as follows:

October 14, 1921.

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