There is another way of taking an objection to this concession, which I

admit to be something more plausible, and worthy of a more attentive

examination. It is, that this numerous class of people is mutinous,

disorderly, prone to sedition, and easy to be wrought upon by the

insidious arts of wicked and designing men; that, conscious of this, the

sober, rational, and wealthy part of that body, who are totally of

another character, do by no means desire any participation for

themselves, or for any one else of their description, in the franchises

of the British Constitution.

I have great doubt of the exactness of any part of this observation. But

let us admit that the body of the Catholics are prone to sedition, (of

which, as I have said, I entertain much doubt,) is it possible that any

fair observer or fair reasoner can think of confining this description

to them only? I believe it to be possible for men to be mutinous and

seditious who feel no grievance, but I believe no man will assert

seriously, that, when people are of a turbulent spirit, the best way to

keep them in order is to furnish them with something substantial to

complain of.

You separate, very properly, the sober, rational, and substantial part

of their description from the rest. You give, as you ought to do, weight

only to the former. What I have always thought of the matter is

this,--that the most poor, illiterate, and uninformed creatures upon

earth are judges of a _practical_ oppression. It is a matter of feeling;

and as such persons generally have felt most of it, and are not of an

over-lively sensibility, they are the best judges of it. But for _the

real cause_, or _the appropriate remedy_, they ought never to be called

into council about the one or the other. They ought to be totally shut

out: because their reason is weak; because, when once roused, their

passions are ungoverned; because they want information; because the

smallness of the property which individually they possess renders them

less attentive to the consequence of the measures they adopt in affairs

of moment. When I find a great cry amongst the people who speculate

little, I think myself called seriously to examine into it, and to

separate the real cause from the ill effects of the passion it may

excite, and the bad use which artful men may make of an irritation of

the popular mind. Here we must be aided by persons of a contrary

character; we must not listen to the desperate or the furious: but it is

therefore necessary for us to distinguish who are the _really_ indigent

and the _really_ intemperate. As to the persons who desire this part in

the Constitution, I have no reason to imagine that they are men who have

nothing to lose and much to look for in public confusion. The popular

meeting from which apprehensions have been entertained has assembled. I

have accidentally had conversation with two friends of mine who know

something of the gentleman who was put into the chair upon that

occasion: one of them has had money transactions with him; the other,

from curiosity, has been to see his concerns: they both tell me he is a

man of some property: but you must be the best judge of this, who by

your office are likely to know his transactions. Many of the others are

certainly persons of fortune; and all, or most, fathers of families,

men in respectable ways of life, and some of them far from contemptible,

either for their information, or for the abilities which they have shown

in the discussion of their interests. What such men think it for their

advantage to acquire ought not, _prima facie_, to be considered as rash

or heady or incompatible with the public safety or welfare.

I admit, that men of the best fortunes and reputations, and of the best

talents and education too, may by accident show themselves furious and

intemperate in their desires. This is a great misfortune, when it

happens; for the first presumptions are undoubtedly in their favor. We

have two standards of judging, in this case, of the sanity and sobriety

of any proceedings,--of unequal certainty, indeed, but neither of them

to be neglected: the first is by the value of the object sought; the

next is by the means through which it is pursued.

The object pursued by the Catholics is, I understand, and have all along

reasoned as if it were so, in some degree or measure to be again

admitted to the franchises of the Constitution. Men are considered as

under some derangement of their intellects, when they see good and evil

in a different light from other men,--when they choose nauseous and

unwholesome food, and reject such as to the rest of the world seems

pleasant and is known to be nutritive. I have always considered the

British Constitution not to be a thing in itself so vicious as that none

but men of deranged understanding and turbulent tempers could desire a

share in it: on the contrary, I should think very indifferently of the

understanding and temper of any body of men who did not wish to partake

of this great and acknowledged benefit. I cannot think quite so

favorably either of the sense or temper of those, if any such there are,

who would voluntarily persuade their brethren that the object is not fit

for them, or they for the object. Whatever may be my thoughts concerning

them, I am quite sure that they who hold such language must forfeit all

credit with the rest. This is infallible,--if they conceive any opinion

of their judgment, they cannot possibly think them their friends. There

is, indeed, one supposition which would reconcile the conduct of such

gentlemen to sound reason, and to the purest affection towards their

fellow-sufferers: it is, that they act under the impression of a

well-grounded fear for the general interest. If they should be told, and

should believe the story, that, if they dare attempt to make their

condition better, they will infallibly make it worse,--that, if they aim

at obtaining liberty, they will have their slavery doubled,--that their

endeavor to put themselves upon anything which approaches towards an

equitable footing with their fellow-subjects will be considered as an

indication of a seditious and rebellious disposition,--such a view of

things ought perfectly to restore the gentlemen, who so anxiously

dissuade their countrymen from wishing a participation with the

privileged part of the people, to the good opinion of their fellows. But

what is to _them_ a very full justification is not quite so honorable to

that power from whose maxims and temper so good a ground of rational

terror is furnished. I think arguments of this kind will never be used

by the friends of a government which I greatly respect, or by any of the

leaders of an opposition whom I have the honor to know and the sense to

admire. I remember Polybius tells us, that, during his captivity in

Italy as a Peloponnesian hostage, he solicited old Cato to intercede

with the Senate for his release, and that of his countrymen: this old

politician told him that he had better continue in his present

condition, however irksome, than apply again to that formidable

authority for their relief; that he ought to imitate the wisdom of his

countryman Ulysses, who, when he was once out of the den of the Cyclops,

had too much sense to venture again into the same cavern. But I conceive

too high an opinion of the Irish legislature to think that they are to

their fellow-citizens what the grand oppressors of mankind were to a

people whom the fortune of war had subjected to their power. For though

Cato could use such a parallel with regard to his Senate, I should

really think it nothing short of impious to compare an Irish Parliament

to a den of Cyclops. I hope the people, both here and with you, will

always apply to the House of Commons with becoming modesty, but at the

same time with minds unembarrassed with any sort of terror.

As to the means which the Catholics employ to obtain this object, so

worthy of sober and rational minds, I do admit that such means may be

used in the pursuit of it as may make it proper for the legislature, in

this case, to defer their compliance until the demandants are brought to

a proper sense of their duty. A concession in which the governing power

of our country loses its dignity is dearly bought even by him who

obtains his object. All the people have a deep interest in the dignity

of Parliament. But as the refusal of franchises which are drawn out of

the first vital stamina of the British Constitution is a very serious

thing, we ought to be very sure that the manner and spirit of the

application is offensive and dangerous indeed, before we ultimately

reject all applications of this nature. The mode of application, I hear,

is by petition. It is the manner in which all the sovereign powers of

the world are approached; and I never heard (except in the case of James

the Second) that any prince considered this manner of supplication to be

contrary to the humility of a subject or to the respect due to the

person or authority of the sovereign. This rule, and a correspondent

practice, are observed from the Grand Seignior down to the most petty

prince or republic in Europe.

You have sent me several papers, some in print, some in manuscript. I

think I had seen all of them, except the formula of association. I

confess they appear to me to contain matter mischievous, and capable of

giving alarm, if the spirit in which they are written should be found to

make any considerable progress. But I am at a loss to know how to apply

them as objections to the case now before us. When I find that _the

General Committee_ which acts for the Roman Catholics in Dublin prefers

the association proposed in the written draught you have sent me to a

respectful application in Parliament, I shall think the persons who sign

such a paper to be unworthy of any privilege which may be thought fit to

be granted, and that such men ought, _by name_, to be excepted from any

benefit under the Constitution to which they offer this violence. But I

do not find that this form of a seditious league has been signed by any

person whatsoever, either on the part of the supposed projectors, or on

the part of those whom it is calculated to seduce. I do not find, on

inquiry, that such a thing was mentioned, or even remotely alluded to,

in the general meeting of the Catholics from which so much violence was

apprehended. I have considered the other publications, signed by

individuals on the part of certain societies,--I may mistake, for I have

not the honor of knowing them personally, but I take Mr. Butler and Mr.

Tandy not to be Catholics, but members of the Established Church. Not

_one_ that I recollect of these publications, which you and I equally

dislike, appears to be written by persons of that persuasion. Now, if,

whilst a man is dutifully soliciting a favor from Parliament, any person

should choose in an improper manner to show his inclination towards the

cause depending, and if that _must_ destroy the cause of the petitioner,

then, not only the petitioner, but the legislature itself, is in the

power of any weak friend or artful enemy that the supplicant or that the

Parliament may have. A man must be judged by his own actions only.

Certain Protestant Dissenters make seditious propositions to the

Catholics, which it does not appear that they have yet accepted. It

would be strange that the tempter should escape all punishment, and that

he who, under circumstances full of seduction and full of provocation,

has resisted the temptation should incur the penalty. You know, that,

with regard to the Dissenters, who are _stated_ to be the chief movers

in this vile scheme of altering the principles of election to a right of

voting by the head, you are not able (if you ought even to wish such a

thing) to deprive them of any part of the franchises and privileges

which they hold on a footing of perfect equality with yourselves. _They_

may do what they please with constitutional impunity; but the others

cannot even listen with civility to an invitation from them to an

ill-judged scheme of liberty, without forfeiting forever all hopes of

any of those liberties which we admit to be sober and rational.

It is known, I believe, that the greater as well as the sounder part of

our excluded countrymen have not adopted the wild ideas and wilder

engagements which have been held out to them, but have rather chosen to

hope small and safe concessions from the legal power than boundless

objects from trouble and confusion. This mode of action seems to me to

mark men of sobriety, and to distinguish them from those who are

intemperate, from circumstance or from nature. But why do they not

instantly disclaim and disavow those who make such advances to them? In

this, too, in my opinion, they show themselves no less sober and

circumspect. In the present moment nothing short of insanity could

induce them to take such a step. Pray consider the circumstances.

Disclaim, says somebody, all union with the Dissenters;--right.--But

when this your injunction is obeyed, shall I obtain the object which I

solicit from _you_?--Oh, no, nothing at all like it!--But, in punishing

us, by an exclusion from the Constitution through the great gate, for

having been invited to enter into it by a postern, will you punish by

deprivation of their privileges, or mulet in any other way, those who

have tempted us?--Far from it;--we mean to preserve all _their_

liberties and immunities, as _our_ life-blood. We mean to cultivate

_them_, as brethren whom we love and respect;--with _you_ we have no

fellowship. We can bear with patience their enmity to ourselves; but

their friendship with you we will not endure. But mark it well! All our

quarrels with _them_ are always to be revenged upon _you_. Formerly, it

is notorious that we should have resented with the highest indignation

your presuming to show any ill-will to them. You must not suffer them,

now, to show any good-will to you. Know--and take it once for all--that

it is, and ever has been, and ever will be, a fundamental maxim in our

politics, that you are not to have any part or shadow or name of

interest whatever in our state; that we look upon you as under an

irreversible outlawry from our Constitution,--as perpetual and

unalliable aliens.

Such, my dear Sir, is the plain nature of the argument drawn from the

Revolution maxims, enforced by a supposed disposition in the Catholics

to unite with the Dissenters. Such it is, though it were clothed in

never such bland and civil forms, and wrapped up, as a poet says, in a

thousand "artful folds of sacred lawn." For my own part, I do not know

in what manner to shape such arguments, so as to obtain admission for

them into a rational understanding. Everything of this kind is to be

reduced at last to threats of power. I cannot say, _Væ victis_! and then

throw the sword into the scale. I have no sword; and if I had, in this

case, most certainly, I would not use it as a makeweight in political

reasoning.

Observe, on these principles, the difference between the procedure of

the Parliament and the Dissenters towards the people in question. One

employs courtship, the other force. The Dissenters offer bribes, the

Parliament nothing but the _front négatif_ of a stern and forbidding

authority. A man may be very wrong in his ideas of what is good for

him. But no man affronts me, nor can therefore justify my affronting

him, by offering to make me as happy as himself, according to his own

ideas of happiness. This the Dissenters do to the Catholics. You are on

the different extremes. The Dissenters offer, with regard to

constitutional rights and civil advantages of all sorts, _everything_;

you refuse _everything_. With them, there is boundless, though not very

assured hope; with you, a very sure and very unqualified despair. The

terms of alliance from the Dissenters offer a representation of the

commons, chosen out of the people by the head. This is absurdly and

dangerously large, in my opinion; and that scheme of election is known

to have been at all times perfectly odious to me. But I cannot think it

right of course to punish the Irish Roman Catholics by an universal

exclusion, because others, whom you would not punish at all, propose an

universal admission. I cannot dissemble to myself, that, in this very

kingdom, many persons who are not in the situation of the Irish

Catholics, but who, on the contrary, enjoy the full benefit of the

Constitution as it stands, and some of whom, from the effect of their

fortunes, enjoy it in a large measure, had some years ago associated to

procure great and undefined changes (they considered them as reforms) in

the popular part of the Constitution. Our friend, the late Mr. Flood,

(no slight man,) proposed in his place, and in my hearing, a

representation not much less extensive than this, for England,--in which

every house was to be inhabited by a voter, _in addition_ to all the

actual votes by other titles (some of the corporate) which we know do

not require a house or a shed. Can I forget that a person of the very

highest rank, of very large fortune, and of the first class of ability,

brought a bill into the House of Lords, in the head-quarters of

aristocracy, containing identically the same project for the supposed

adoption of which by a club or two it is thought right to extinguish all

hopes in the Roman Catholics of Ireland? I cannot say it was very

eagerly embraced or very warmly pursued. But the Lords neither did

disavow the bill, nor treat it with any disregard, nor express any sort

of disapprobation of its noble author, who has never lost, with king or

people, the least degree of the respect and consideration which so

justly belongs to him.

I am not at all enamored, as I have told you, with this plan of

representation; as little do I relish any bandings or associations for

procuring it. But if the question was to be put to you and

me,--_Universal_ popular representation, or _none at all for us and

ours_,--we should find ourselves in a very awkward position. I do not

like this kind of dilemmas, especially when they are practical.

Then, since our oldest fundamental laws follow, or rather couple,

freehold with franchise,--since no principle of the Revolution shakes

these liberties,--since the oldest and one of the best monuments of the

Constitution demands for the Irish the privilege which they

supplicate,--since the principles of the Revolution coincide with the

declarations of the Great Charter,--since the practice of the

Revolution, in this point, did not contradict its principles,--since,

from that event, twenty-five years had elapsed, before a domineering

party, on a party principle, had ventured to disfranchise, without any

proof whatsoever of abuse, the greater part of the community,--since the

king's coronation oath does not stand in his way to the performance of

his duty to all his subjects,--since you have given to all other

Dissenters these privileges without limit which are hitherto withheld

without any limitation whatsoever from the Catholics,--since no nation

in the world has ever been known to exclude so great a body of men (not

born slaves) from the civil state, and all the benefits of its

Constitution,--the whole question comes before Parliament as a matter

for its prudence. I do not put the thing on a question of right. That

discretion, which in judicature is well said by Lord Coke to be a

crooked cord, in legislature is a golden rule. Supplicants ought not to

appear too much in the character of litigants. If the subject thinks so

highly and reverently of the sovereign authority as not to claim

anything of right, so that it may seem to be independent of the power

and free choice of its government,--and if the sovereign, on his part,

considers the advantages of the subjects as their right, and all their

reasonable wishes as so many claims,--in the fortunate conjunction of

these mutual dispositions are laid the foundations of a happy and

prosperous commonwealth. For my own part, desiring of all things that

the authority of the legislature under which I was born, and which I

cherish, not only with a dutiful awe, but with a partial and cordial

affection, to be maintained in the utmost possible respect, I never will

suffer myself to suppose that at bottom their discretion will be found

to be at variance with their justice.

The whole being at discretion, I beg leave just to suggest some matters

for your consideration:--Whether the government in Church or State is

likely to be more secure by continuing causes of grounded discontent to

a very great number (say two millions) of the subjects? or whether the

Constitution, combined and balanced as it is, will be rendered more

solid by depriving so large a part of the people of all concern or

interest or share in its representation, actual or _virtual_? I here

mean to lay an emphasis on the word _virtual_. Virtual representation is

that in which there is a communion of interests and a sympathy in

feelings and desires between those who act in the name of any

description of people and the people in whose name they act, though the

trustees are not actually chosen by them. This is virtual

representation. Such a representation I think to be in many cases even

better than the actual. It possesses most of its advantages, and is free

from many of its inconveniences; it corrects the irregularities in the

literal representation, when the shifting current of human affairs or

the acting of public interests in different ways carry it obliquely from

its first line of direction. The people may err in their choice; but

common interest and common sentiment are rarely mistaken. But this sort

of virtual representation cannot have a long or sure existence, if it

has not a substratum in the actual. The member must have some relation

to the constituent. As things stand, the Catholic, as a Catholic, and

belonging to a description, has no _virtual_ relation to the

representative,--but the _contrary_. There is a relation in mutual

obligation. Gratitude may not always have a very lasting power; but the

frequent recurrence of an application for favors will revive and refresh

it, and will necessarily produce some degree of mutual attention. It

will produce, at least, acquaintance. The several descriptions of people

will not be kept so much apart as they now are, as if they were not

only separate nations, but separate species. The stigma and reproach,

the hideous mask will be taken off, and men will see each other as they

are. Sure I am that there have been thousands in Ireland who have never

conversed with a Roman Catholic in their whole lives, unless they

happened to talk to their gardener's workmen, or to ask their way, when

they had lost it in their sports,--or, at best, who had known them only

as footmen, or other domestics, of the second and third order: and so

averse were they, some time ago, to have them near their persons, that

they would not employ even those who could never find their way beyond

the stable. I well remember a great, and in many respects a good man,

who advertised for a blacksmith, but at the same time added, he must be

a Protestant. It is impossible that such a state of things, though

natural goodness in many persons will undoubtedly make exceptions, must

not produce alienation on the one side and pride and insolence on the

other.

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