AFTERNOON SESSION, MARCH 17, 1955

Mr. MOULDER. The committee will be in order.

Is Mr. Jerry O’Connell in the hearing room?

(There was no response.)

Mr. MOULDER. Will the officer standing at the door call for

Jerry O’Connell in the corridor.

(There was no response.)

Mr. MOULDER. Proceed, Mr. Tavenner.

TESTIMONY OF EUGENE VICTOR DENNETT, ACCOMPANIED BY HIS COUNSEL, KENNETH

A. MacDONALD--Resumed

Mr. TAVENNER. Mr. Dennett, you were describing to the

committee the formation of the unemployed councils in Bellingham and

the success which the Communist Party had in having its members become

members of that organization. You also described for us in a general

way the extent of influence that the Communist Party had in those

organizations, in those councils, by reason of having its own members

become members of the councils.

I ask you why the Communist Party was interested, and why it made a

fight to get its own members into these unemployed councils. What was

the purpose of it?

Mr. DENNETT. Our purpose was at that time to find some way of

prevailing upon the unemployed organizations to adopt a program we were

advocating.

At that particular time it consisted mainly in fighting for the

adopting of the slogan of demanding unemployment insurance. And I think

that that is a point which must be remembered by everyone.

Many people accept unemployment insurance today as a principle, but

they don’t know that its origin in the United States, at least, came

because the Communists seized upon that as a means of winning the

support of the masses of unemployed people.

And any ordinary person should have known in that period, if you look

back from now, they should have known that that was a necessary step to

be taken. But at that time the resistance to it was terrific.

Mr. TAVENNER. Are you saying it was the desire of the

Communist Party, by these methods, to win support of the masses?

Mr. DENNETT. Correct.

Mr. TAVENNER. To win support in what way?

Mr. DENNETT. To win them to an interest--I should say, first,

an interest in the Communist Party; then to lead them along the path of

struggling against the capitalist system which would ultimately, they

hoped, result in the replacement of the capitalist organization of a

Soviet form of society.

Mr. TAVENNER. Would you say that the Communist Party made that

type of effort in almost every form of our society?

Mr. DENNETT. Well, the leaders were held responsible to see to

it that they did make such an effort. It wasn’t so easy to do so among

the ranks of the members who didn’t hold any official position, but any

person who held an official position, such as a unit organizer or a

section organizer or an agitprop director or a trade-union organizer or

a fraction secretary, in any of those positions a person was expected

to carry the Communist Party line. If he didn’t, he was certainly

subject to discipline.

Mr. TAVENNER. The committee from time to time has heard a

great deal of evidence about the organization of Communist Party cells

or branches or units which have been variously termed neighborhood

groups and street groups. There has been an effort made in some

instances to make it appear that such groups had very little part to

play or very little function in the overall picture and purposes of the

Communist Party, although they testified that in the instances where

Communist Party branches were organized within factories and within

industry generally that they had a more definite purpose.

Will you tell the committee about the formation of neighborhood groups

of the Communist Party, or what we call sometimes street groups, and

explain what part those organizations played in the overall Communist

Party program?

Mr. DENNETT. Well, first of all, it is necessary to understand

one principle of organization that the Communist Party adopted, and

that is, that the form of the organization had to satisfy a need, and

that the form itself was subordinate, the form was not the principal

question.

The principal question was the function that they were to serve.

So the Communist Party adopted a very flexible attitude on this.

In some of the early Communist Party literature it refers almost

exclusively to Communist cells. And cells are generally thought of

as some very small unit that is sort of hidden away. Actually it was

Lenin’s instruction to the party that they should make every factory a

fortress for Communist activity.

And the directives of the Red International of Labor Unions always held

forth that as an objective.

Now they found that in some countries such factory cells were

impractical forms of organization. They just didn’t work out. And it

was particularly true in the United States of America because most

workers in most of the factories had very little opportunity to discuss

political business while they were at work.

In some of the other countries workers did engage in that kind of

effort and activity. So shop units and shop cells were possible of

organization and were effected. In fact, they were openly known.

In the united States the Communist Party adopted the practice

of adapting its basic organization, the elementary part of the

organization, to whatever circumstances they found themselves in.

In the period of great unemployment people weren’t working in

the factories. So we found them in the neighborhoods. And in the

neighborhoods where we could recruit a half dozen Communists we made a

neighborhood branch.

At first we called them units. In later years I understand they were

called branches. But at the time when I was most active we always

referred to them as units. And we would try to get each neighborhood

branch to assume some responsibility for some factory or some industry,

to carry on agitation and propaganda among the workers of a particular

factory or plant for the purpose of trying to recruit those workers

into the party and establish a shop unit or what later became known as

a branch.

So the point that is of importance here, as I see it, is that the party

was flexible in adopting forms of organization, but it was inflexible

as to the purpose of those organizations. And their purpose certainly

was always as far as I knew--and I was one of those who insisted that

it must be kept foremost--to lead the working class to overthrow the

capitalist class in political power.

Now I think that there is a great deal of misconception and

misunderstanding as to just what that may involve.

The Communist Party went to great length to try to draw a distinction,

particularly in the United States, between overthrowing the rule

of a particular class and overthrowing the form of the particular

government. And it was always the party’s claim in the United States

that what they were trying to accomplish was to unseat the robber

barons and the big business interests who had seized the seats of

government in the United States, and the Communist Party always played

down the problem of changing the form of government because nearly all

liberal persons you come across will raise the point that one thing

that America contributed which the rest of the world has never enjoyed

is the right to individual freedom.

The preservation of the constitutional democratic form of organization

in the United States governmental structure has always held a very firm

appeal to any person who has made any study of governmental structures.

The Communist leadership found it virtually impossible to convince

anybody that is acquainted with that fact that this constitutional,

democratic form of representative government should itself be changed.

However, I think that it is a form of self-delusion, and I think that

perhaps I have to admit my own in that connection because, among the

principles that Lenin hammered away on was the necessity, once the

workers seize power, of completely destroying the bourgeois forms of

organization. And there is no question about it; there is plenty of

literature to substantiate that that would include what was referred to

as the constitutional democracies.

You must recall that in the history of the Russian Revolution when

the Bolsheviks seized power they replaced a representative form of

government, which had been completely unable to solve the economic,

financial, and political problems that confronted the people in old

Russia. So it was quite natural that the Bolsheviks should say we must

sweep aside all these forms that are hindrances.

And I fear that the average person who attempts to transplant an

arbitrary form or an idea which is erected in one part of the world

because of a certain historical set of circumstances and arbitrarily

transplant it to another part of the world under entirely different

historical circumstances finds himself trying to solve an impossible

problem. And I think that that is basically the problem which the

Communist Party itself ran into.

There is no question about it: Lenin’s teachings and the teachings of

the Communist Party call for the change of the form of the present

so-called bourgeois democratic governments.

I don’t know how valuable or informative this line of response is

for your committee, but I would just interject this part of my own

thinking, that it is self-delusion on the part of those who think

that it does not involve sweeping aside the present constitutional

government.

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