I do not quite follow you, he said.

I do not wonder at that, I said. But perhaps, if I put the matter in

another way, you will be able to follow me, and my own meaning will be

clearer to myself. The sick man, as I was just now saying, is the friend

of the physician--is he not?

Yes.

And he is the friend of the physician because of disease, and for the

sake of health?

Yes.

And disease is an evil?

Certainly.

And what of health? I said. Is that good or evil, or neither?

Good, he replied.

And we were saying, I believe, that the body being neither good nor

evil, because of disease, that is to say because of evil, is the friend

of medicine, and medicine is a good: and medicine has entered into this

friendship for the sake of health, and health is a good.

True.

And is health a friend, or not a friend?

A friend.

And disease is an enemy?

Yes.

Then that which is neither good nor evil is the friend of the good

because of the evil and hateful, and for the sake of the good and the

friend?

Clearly.

Then the friend is a friend for the sake of the friend, and because of

the enemy?

That is to be inferred.

Then at this point, my boys, let us take heed, and be on our guard

against deceptions. I will not again repeat that the friend is the

friend of the friend, and the like of the like, which has been declared

by us to be an impossibility; but, in order that this new statement may

not delude us, let us attentively examine another point, which I will

proceed to explain: Medicine, as we were saying, is a friend, or dear to

us for the sake of health?

Yes.

And health is also dear?

Certainly.

And if dear, then dear for the sake of something?

Yes.

And surely this object must also be dear, as is implied in our previous

admissions?

Yes.

And that something dear involves something else dear?

Yes.

But then, proceeding in this way, shall we not arrive at some first

principle of friendship or dearness which is not capable of being

referred to any other, for the sake of which, as we maintain, all other

things are dear, and, having there arrived, we shall stop?

True.

My fear is that all those other things, which, as we say, are dear for

the sake of another, are illusions and deceptions only, but where that

first principle is, there is the true ideal of friendship. Let me put

the matter thus: Suppose the case of a great treasure (this may be a

son, who is more precious to his father than all his other treasures);

would not the father, who values his son above all things, value other

things also for the sake of his son? I mean, for instance, if he knew

that his son had drunk hemlock, and the father thought that wine would

save him, he would value the wine?

He would.

And also the vessel which contains the wine?

Certainly.

But does he therefore value the three measures of wine, or the earthen

vessel which contains them, equally with his son? Is not this rather

the true state of the case? All his anxiety has regard not to the means

which are provided for the sake of an object, but to the object for the

sake of which they are provided. And although we may often say that gold

and silver are highly valued by us, that is not the truth; for there is

a further object, whatever it may be, which we value most of all, and

for the sake of which gold and all our other possessions are acquired by

us. Am I not right?

Yes, certainly.

And may not the same be said of the friend? That which is only dear to

us for the sake of something else is improperly said to be dear, but

the truly dear is that in which all these so-called dear friendships

terminate.

That, he said, appears to be true.

And the truly dear or ultimate principle of friendship is not for the

sake of any other or further dear.

True.

Then we have done with the notion that friendship has any further

object. May we then infer that the good is the friend?

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