Mr. OLSEN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Olsen is shaking his head “No,” and now he has said “No.”
Do you know Blackie Harrison?
Mr. OLSEN. I believe, if it’s the one I’m thinking of.
Mr. SPECTER. Are you thinking of one who is an officer on the Police
Department?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you see or talk to Blackie Harrison from the time of
the assassination to the Sunday after that?
Mr. OLSEN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know Lieutenant Butler?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you see or talk to Lieutenant Butler from the
assassination until the 24th of November?
Mr. OLSEN. No, sir; I don’t believe so.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you see or talk to Detective L. D. Miller from the
assassination until November 24th?
Mr. OLSEN. Not that I remember; no, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know Tom O’Grady?
Mr. OLSEN. I might know him by sight, but I don’t know him from the
name.
Mr. SPECTER. Did Ralph Paul ever tell you that Ruby said he was going
to shoot Oswald?
Mr. OLSEN. No, not that I remember.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you ever hear of Oswald before the assassination of
President Kennedy?
Mr. OLSEN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you ever see Oswald before the assassination of
President Kennedy?
Mr. OLSEN. Not that I remember.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know at all whether Ruby knew Oswald prior to the
assassination?
Mr. OLSEN. I don’t know.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know Eugene Smith?
Mr. OLSEN. I don’t remember. I might know him if I would see him.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know whether Ruby knew anyone by the name of Eugene
Smith?
Mr. OLSEN. No, I don’t.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know whether Ruby was a member of any subversive
organization; that is, an organization which advocates the forceful
overthrow of the U.S. Government?
Mr. OLSEN. To my knowledge, he was never a member of anything like that.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know whether any of his friends or family were
members of such an organization?
Mr. OLSEN. I don’t know.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know whether Ruby associated with any of the
criminal element.
Mr. OLSEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Did he ever associate with any of the criminal element?
Mr. OLSEN. I think he did in Chicago.
Mr. SPECTER. What, is the basis for your saying that?
Mr. OLSEN. I had heard that he had been with a gang in Chicago.
Mr. SPECTER. Who told you that?
Mr. OLSEN. Oh, it could have been Ruby himself.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you recall for sure whether or not it was Ruby who told
you that?
Mr. OLSEN. I recall that he did—he had said something about being with
a—or, how rough Chicago used to be.
Mr. SPECTER. Well, did he say anything beyond how rough it was, to the
effect that he was with a criminal gang or anything of that sort?
Mr. OLSEN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know anything about Ruby’s trip to Cuba?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. What do you know about that?
Mr. OLSEN. He said he was going to Cuba to get acts.
Mr. SPECTER. To get what?
Mr. OLSEN. Acts.
Mr. SPECTER. A-c-t-s?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. For his nightclub?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. When did he go to Cuba, if you remember?
Mr. OLSEN. I remember when he went, but I don’t remember the date.
Mr. SPECTER. Was there any other purpose that you know about in Ruby’s
going to Cuba?
Mr. OLSEN. No. He seemed to be quiet about it.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know anything about Ruby’s attitude toward the John
Birch Society?
Mr. OLSEN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know anything about his attitude toward the
Minutemen?
Mr. OLSEN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you ever hear Ruby say anything about the sign on
impeaching Chief Justice Earl Warren?
Mr. OLSEN. Would you repeat that?
Mr. SPECTER. Did you ever hear Ruby say anything about a sign or
advertisement which said “Impeach Chief Justice Earl Warren of the U.S.
Supreme Court”?
Mr. OLSEN. He could have said something about it, but I don’t remember.
I think that he did.
Mr. SPECTER. Off the record for just a minute.
(There was a discussion off the record.)
Mr. SPECTER. Do you have anything to add which you think would be
helpful to the President’s Commission in any way, Mr. Olsen?
Mr. OLSEN. I wish I did. If I did, I would tell you.
Mr. SPECTER. But you don’t?
Mr. OLSEN. Not that I can think of.
Mr. SPECTER. All right. Now, under the procedure of the Commission, Mr.
Olsen, we can make this deposition transcript available to you to read
and to sign, if you want to, or you can forego your right to do that on
what is called a waiver.
Would you like to read and sign the deposition; that is, this record?
Mr. OLSEN. Should I?
Mr. SPECTER. Well, it’s up to you. If you want to, you can, it’s up
to you. There is some doubt in your mind, so I think we will make it
available to you to read and to sign.
Mr. OLSEN. OK.
Mr. SPECTER. Thank you very much for coming, Mr. Olsen, and that
concludes the deposition.
(There was a discussion off the record.)
Mr. SPECTER. Let’s go back on the record just a minute.
Mr. Olsen, did we have a brief conversation before I administered the
oath to you and the court reporter started to take down my questions
and your answers?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. And did I cover in a general way the questions which I
have since asked you on the record?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. And did you give me the same information which you have
given on the record?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Thank you.