Mr. OLSEN. Jack left.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you see anybody or talk to anybody else later that
night?
Mr. OLSEN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. And what did you do after taking Kay home?
Mr. OLSEN. We talked a while.
Mr. SPECTER. And what did you do next?
Mr. OLSEN. I think I went home.
Mr. SPECTER. What time did you awaken on Saturday?
Mr. OLSEN. Oh, probably 11 in the morning.
Mr. SPECTER. Where did you have breakfast on Saturday?
Mr. OLSEN. At her house.
Mr. SPECTER. What time did you go to her house? And by “her” I take it
you mean Kay?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes, sir. Oh, 12 or 1 o’clock.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you see anybody else on Saturday besides Kay?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Who else did you see?
Mr. OLSEN. I saw Ruby Saturday night.
Mr. SPECTER. Where was it that you saw Ruby?
Mr. OLSEN. In front of his club.
Mr. SPECTER. The Carousel Club?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. At what time was that?
Mr. OLSEN. Oh, 10 or 11 at night.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you speak to him?
Mr. OLSEN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. What was the circumstances under which you saw him?
Mr. OLSEN. We were driving by and he was standing outside and we waved.
Mr. SPECTER. Did he see you and wave at you?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. What did you do from the time you got to Kay’s house
until the time that you saw Ruby standing in front of his club on that
Saturday night?
Mr. OLSEN. Watched some television and listened to the radio a little
bit.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you see or talk to anybody else either in person or by
telephone from the time you got to Kay’s house until the time you saw
Ruby that Saturday night?
Mr. OLSEN. No, sir; I don’t guess we did.
Mr. SPECTER. What did you do after you saw Ruby in front of his club
that Saturday night?
Mr. OLSEN. What did we do then?
Mr. SPECTER. What did you and Kay do then?
Mr. OLSEN. We drove by where the President was shot, we drove by there
several times, and drove around town a little bit.
Mr. SPECTER. What time did you finish driving around town?
Mr. OLSEN. Oh, I guess 1 or 2.
Mr. SPECTER. In the morning?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you see anybody else you knew while you were driving
around town?
Mr. OLSEN. We did, but I don’t remember who it was.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you stop and talk to them?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes, sir. I don’t remember who it was.
Mr. SPECTER. Where did you go when you finished driving around town?
Mr. OLSEN. I took her home.
Mr. SPECTER. What time did you arrive at her home?
Mr. OLSEN. I would say 2 or 3 in the morning.
Mr. SPECTER. What did you do next?
Mr. OLSEN. Well, we talked about what had happened more.
Mr. SPECTER. How long did that conversation last?
Mr. OLSEN. Oh, I guess about an hour.
Mr. SPECTER. What did you do next?
Mr. OLSEN. Went to bed.
Mr. SPECTER. Where did you sleep that night?
Mr. OLSEN. I could have slept on her couch. Either that or I went back
to my apartment.
Mr. SPECTER. At what time did you awaken Sunday morning?
Mr. OLSEN. Oh, 10 or 11.
Mr. SPECTER. Where did you have breakfast?
Mr. OLSEN. At her house.
Mr. SPECTER. And by “her” you mean Kay?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. And what did you do after breakfast? First, did you go to
Kay’s house right after you awakened?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Then how long did you stay at Kay’s house?
Mr. OLSEN. I think we were there when Ruby shot Oswald.
Mr. SPECTER. How did you learn that Ruby had shot Oswald?
Mr. OLSEN. It was either the radio or the television.
Mr. SPECTER. Were you watching TV at the time that it happened?
Mr. OLSEN. I believe so. If not, we turned it on right after we had
heard it.
Mr. SPECTER. Was anyone else present in Kay’s house except you and Kay?
Mr. OLSEN. Her children.
Mr. SPECTER. What are the names of her children?
Mr. OLSEN. Susan and Sheri.
Mr. SPECTER. How old is Susan?
Mr. OLSEN. Nine.
Mr. SPECTER. How old is Sheri?
Mr. OLSEN. Seven.
Mr. SPECTER. Was anyone else present besides you and Kay and Susan and
Sheri?
Mr. OLSEN. No, sir; they could have been outside playing.
Mr. SPECTER. How long did you stay at Kay’s house that day?
Mr. OLSEN. Oh, several hours, I guess.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you see anybody else before you left Kay’s house that
day, on that Sunday?
Mr. OLSEN. Not that I recall. I could have seen somebody who lives
there.
Mr. SPECTER. Such as who?
Mr. OLSEN. Oh, the landlord.
Mr. SPECTER. Who is he?
Mr. OLSEN. I don’t remember his name.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you talk to anybody by telephone that day?
Mr. OLSEN. I don’t recall if I called the police department or not,
whether they wanted me to come down and work.
Mr. SPECTER. Were you on duty that day?
Mr. OLSEN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. How was it that you were off for 3 days in a row?
Mr. OLSEN. I had a holiday.
Mr. SPECTER. What do you mean by “a holiday”?
Mr. OLSEN. Well, like Christmas or Thanksgiving, or something like that.
Mr. SPECTER. You mean you had a compensatory day coming for having
worked a holiday?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you hear any announcement that day that Oswald was
about to be moved?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. How did you happen to hear that?
Mr. OLSEN. On television, I believe.
Mr. SPECTER. And specifically, what was that announcement?
Mr. OLSEN. That he was being moved from the city jail to the county
jail.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you talk to anybody about that?
Mr. OLSEN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you tell Ruby about that?
Mr. OLSEN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you talk to Ruby that Sunday?
Mr. OLSEN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Have you ever talked to Ruby at any time after that
conversation you had with him in the garage on late Friday night or
early Saturday morning?
Mr. OLSEN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. What time did you leave Kay’s house on Sunday, November
24, to the best of your ability to recollect?
Mr. OLSEN. I would say 9 or 10 o’clock.
Mr. SPECTER. In the evening?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Where did you go then?
Mr. OLSEN. We drove by city hall.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you stop?
Mr. OLSEN. Sir?
Mr. SPECTER. Did you stop at city hall?
Mr. OLSEN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Where did you go after dropping by city hall?
Mr. OLSEN. We drove by where the President was assassinated.
Mr. SPECTER. Was Kay with you at that time?
Mr. OLSEN. I believe she was.
Mr. SPECTER. Where did you go next?
Mr. OLSEN. I believe we went to her house.
Mr. SPECTER. How long did you stay there?
Mr. OLSEN. Oh, I don’t remember.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you contact anybody after you learned Oswald was shot
by Ruby?
Mr. OLSEN. Sir?
Mr. SPECTER. Did you contact anybody after you learned that Oswald was
shot by Ruby?
Mr. OLSEN. I believe I called the police department and asked them if
they wanted me to work.
Mr. SPECTER. Aside from that call, did you contact anybody?
Mr. OLSEN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. And when you called the police department what did they
tell you?
Mr. OLSEN. They didn’t need me to work.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you recall who you talked to on that occasion?
Mr. OLSEN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Has Kay worked for Ruby at any time after the
assassination?
Mr. OLSEN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. When did she work for Ruby last preceding the
assassination?
Mr. OLSEN. Thursday, I would say.
Mr. SPECTER. When did you end your employment with the Dallas Police
Department?
Mr. OLSEN. The latter part of December.
Mr. SPECTER. What was the reason for leaving the Dallas Police
Department?
Mr. OLSEN. I wanted to come to California.
Mr. SPECTER. Nobody at the Dallas Police Department asked you to leave?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Who asked you to leave the Police Department?
Mr. OLSEN. Chief Curry.
Mr. SPECTER. What was the reason for that?
Mr. OLSEN. I was out of sick time; in other words, you are allotted so
much sick time a year, and he didn’t want to extend me any more.
Mr. SPECTER. Was that the only reason why he asked you to terminate
your employment with the police department?
Mr. OLSEN. That was one of the reasons.
Mr. SPECTER. Was there any other reason?
(Long pause.)
Mr. OLSEN. I don’t remember exactly what was said.
Mr. SPECTER. Was there any special reason why you went to California?
Mr. OLSEN. We heard the climate was nice out here.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know a Bertha Cheek? Does that name ring a bell
with you?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Who is she?
Mr. OLSEN. I have heard the name. Can you help me a little bit with it?
Mr. SPECTER. Well, do you recollect anything about her at this moment?
Mr. OLSEN. No, sir; I have heard the name, though.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you tell Bertha Cheek that Ruby was looking for a
partner?
Mr. OLSEN. Well, who is Bertha Cheek?
Mr. SPECTER. You just don’t recollect?
Mr. OLSEN. Did I tell Bertha Cheek that Ruby was looking for a partner?
Mr. SPECTER. Yes.
Mr. OLSEN. Not that I remember.
Mr. SPECTER. Did Ruby ever room at Bertha Cheek’s apartment building?
Mr. OLSEN. Well, where is that?
Mr. SPECTER. Well, do you know of any Bertha Cheek who has an apartment
building in Dallas?
Mr. OLSEN. Does she have the one on Gaston?
Mr. SPECTER. Did Ruby ever room at an apartment building on Gaston?
Mr. OLSEN. Not that I know of, no.
Mr. SPECTER. From the time President Kennedy was assassinated through
the rest of that Friday and Saturday and Sunday did you see or talk to
Little Lynn?
Mr. OLSEN. No.
Mr. SPECTER. Bruce Carlin, during that same time?
Mr. OLSEN. Who?
Mr. SPECTER. Bruce Carlin. I notice a quizzical look on your face. Do
you know who Bruce Carlin is?
Mr. OLSEN. No; can you help me?
Mr. SPECTER. No; I am not able to do that. Did you see or talk to Tammi
True?
Mr. OLSEN. Not that I remember.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know Tammi True?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you see or talk to Ralph Paul from November 22d
through to November 24th?
Mr. OLSEN. I don’t believe so.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know Tom Howard?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you see or talk to Tom Howard from the time of the
assassination until the following Sunday?
Mr. OLSEN. No.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you see or talk to Breck Wall during that same period
of time?
Mr. OLSEN. No.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you see or talk to George Senator from November 22d
through the 24th?
Mr. OLSEN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. You know who George Senator is?
Mr. OLSEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know Mickey Ryan?
(Witness shaking head.)