Mr. ALEXANDER. It isn’t an alley, now, it’s a ramp.
Mr. SPECTER. Let me specify here—is there another entrance to the jail
that you have to go through an alleyway?
Mr. RUBY. There’s another—the Commerce Street entrance, and there’s two
entrances, and there’s ways of coming through, I imagine, from the——
Mr. TONAHILL. But it’s a driveway, is what it is, going down.
Mr. ALEXANDER. There’s nothing in the sense that you’re thinking of—you
could come from the building out where you could go down the ramp on
either side.
Mr. TONAHILL. It’s all under the building, not the ramp.
Mr. FOWLER. Actually, I think what he is thinking of is that there is
an alley too.
Mr. ALEXANDER. It wouldn’t be accessible.
Mr. FOWLER. It would make it very difficult to get down into the
basement from the alley.
Mr. ALEXANDER. All right, if Jack knows we’re talking about “alley,”
as long as you distinguish between the alley and the ramp, so he can
answer your question.
Mr. TONAHILL. He has always referred to it as a ramp.
Mr. RUBY. That’s a ramp.
Mr. SPECTER. By “alley,” we do not mean the ramp. We mean the entrance
into the building.
Mr. TONAHILL. Now, you’ve got him squared away.
Mr. SPECTER. Fine. We want you to understand the question exactly.
Mr. HERNDON. The question will stand as is.
Mr. TONAHILL. Why don’t you read the question?
Mr. HERNDON. Just leave the question as it is?
Mr. SPECTER. Leave it as it is.
Mr. HERNDON. The next question I’m going to ask, or one of the
questions I will ask will be, “Did you walk past the guard at the time
Lieutenant Pierce’s car was parked on the exit?”
Mr. RUBY. Yes.
Mr. HERNDON. You said it was parked?
Mr. RUBY. Yes.
Mr. HERNDON. I think I’ll put it “on the ramp exit” so it’s perfectly
clear, and I will repeat the question.
The question again, “Did you walk past the guard at the time Lieutenant
Pierce’s car was parked on the ramp exit?”
Mr. RUBY. Yes.
Mr. HERNDON. Now, the other questions here, “Did you talk with any
Dallas police officers on Sunday, November 24, prior to shooting
Oswald?”
Mr. RUBY. No.
Mr. HERNDON. Other questions I intend to ask on this next series, Mr.
Ruby are: “Did you previously live in Chicago?”
Mr. RUBY. Yes.
Mr. HERNDON. “Are your parents alive?”
Mr. RUBY. No.
Mr. HERNDON. This next question, and you don’t have to answer it now.
You can answer it on the test. “Did you ever make a false insurance
claim?”
Mr. RUBY. No.
Mr. HERNDON. You are a man in business and you would probably have
insurance on perhaps your car, your personal life and your business?
Mr. RUBY. Yes.
Mr. HERNDON. I just wondered if you ever made a false insurance claim?
Mr. RUBY. No—I see what you mean—No, I have it on an automobile.
Mr. HERNDON. I put this question in here—I’m not sure, actually, but
“Do you still operate the Carousel Club?”
Mr. RUBY. No.
Mr. HERNDON. You don’t?
Mr. RUBY. No.
Mr. HERNDON. All right. The questions will be: “Do you still operate
the Carousel Club? Were you on the sidewalk at the time Lieutenant
Pierce’s car stopped on the ramp exit? Did you previously live in
Chicago? Did you enter the jail by walking through an alleyway? Are
your parents alive? Did you walk past the guard at the time Lieutenant
Pierce’s car was parked on the ramp exit? Did you ever make a false
insurance claim? Did you talk with any Dallas police officers on
Sunday, November 24, prior to the shooting of Oswald?”
Do you understand all those questions and can you answer them clearly
and simply “Yes” or “No”?
Mr. RUBY. Yes.
Mr. ALEXANDER. Apparently this is series 5?
Mr. SPECTER. We called the last series, series 3a.
Mr. HERNDON. We will call this series 4, according to my records. Is
that in sequence, Mr. Specter?
Mr. SPECTER. Yes; I believe it is.
Mr. HERNDON. I will proceed shortly then, gentlemen.
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Tonahill and Mr. Alexander have now left the room.
Mr. HERNDON. Mr. Ruby, do you want to put both of your feet on the
floor for me, sir, and look straight ahead at the wall, and relax until
I get the instrument adjusted.
(Reporter’s note: 4:35 p.m.)
Mr. HERNDON. All right, I will now put some pressure on the arm cuff,
and I will tell you when I am going to start asking you questions, Mr.
Ruby.
We will now begin.
(Reporter’s note: 4:36 p.m.)
Mr. HERNDON. “Do you still operate the Carousel Club?”
Mr. RUBY. “No.”
Mr. HERNDON. “Were you on the sidewalk at the time Lieutenant Pierce’s
car stopped on the ramp exit?”
Mr. RUBY. “Yes.”
Mr. HERNDON. “Did you previously live in Chicago?”
Mr. RUBY. “Yes.”
Mr. HERNDON. Try to sit still, if you can.
Mr. RUBY. All right.
Mr. HERNDON. “Did you enter the jail by walking through an alleyway?”
Mr. RUBY. “No.”
Mr. HERNDON. “Are your parents alive?”
Mr. RUBY. “No.”
Mr. HERNDON. “Did you walk past the guard at the time Lieutenant
Pierce’s car was parked on the ramp exit?”
Mr. RUBY. “Yes.”
Mr. HERNDON. “Did you ever make a false insurance claim?”
Mr. RUBY. “No.”
Mr. HERNDON. “Did you talk with any Dallas police officers on Sunday,
November 24, prior to the shooting of Oswald?”
Mr. RUBY. “No.”
Mr. HERNDON. That series is over. If you will sit still for a moment,
Mr. Ruby. I will now release the pressure from your arms.
Mr. RUBY. Am I acting a little nervous?
Mr. HERNDON. A little, but I think you’re getting a little bit tired.
That’s quite all right. I notice a little motion, but I will certainly
take that into consideration when I evaluate and interpret these charts.
(Reporter’s note: 4:40 p.m.)
Mr. HERNDON. Is there any area of doubt at all in your mind about that
question where you were on the sidewalk at the time Lieutenant Pierce’s
car stopped at the ramp exit?
Mr. RUBY. I said I was on the sidewalk—I walked past.
Mr. HERNDON. Yes; did that question trouble you then?
Mr. RUBY. No.
Mr. HERNDON. You were on the sidewalk?
Mr. RUBY. Yes.
Mr. HERNDON. I just wanted to clarify that. When I asked you, “Are your
parents alive?”, Mr. Ruby, have they been deceased for some time?
Mr. RUBY. Yes.
Mr. HERNDON. Did that question bother you or trouble you at all?
Mr. RUBY. No; I don’t know—I guess I’m nervous now—I don’t know just
why I said that.
Mr. HERNDON. I have no further questions in that series.
Mr. RUBY. Aren’t you going to ask me whether I knew anything as to
whether or not he was going to come down, or anything like that?
Mr. HERNDON. We will have to prepare some more questions.
Mr. SPECTER. May the record show that Mr. Alexander and Mr. Tonahill
are now back in the room, and we are going to take a brief recess.
Mr. HERNDON. You’ve done very well thus far, Mr. Ruby, as far as
cooperating on the examination.
Mr. RUBY. OK. What happens now?
Mr. HERNDON. We’re going to take a break and give you a little rest.
Now, if you will just lean forward and raise your arms, I will take
this equipment off of you.
Mr. RUBY. I’m not hungry, jailer.
Mr. HOLMAN. Do you want to go lie down?
Mr. RUBY. We only have a 20-minute break. That’s all.
Mr. HERNDON. Might I suggest to the jailer that you might like to sit
at another chair and change your position?
Mr. RUBY. Yes.
(Reporter’s note: 4:45 p.m.)
(The proceedings were in recess at this time from 4:45 p.m. to 6:25
p.m.)
Mr. SPECTER. May the record now show that it is 6:25 p.m. and that we
have adjourned for a period of 1 hour and 40 minutes, during which time
Mr. Ruby has had an opportunity to rest. Is that correct, Mr. Ruby?
Mr. RUBY. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Ruby has just asked me about the presence of reporters
downstairs, and would you get this in the record. Miss Oliver. Would
you repeat what you just said to me, Mr. Ruby?
Mr. RUBY. Are you going to make any announcement to them?
Mr. SPECTER. Yes; and you asked me to speak freely about this matter?
Mr. RUBY. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. My view is that we should, in view of the circumstances,
as I have been told—there are a large number of reporters downstairs,
and I’ve discussed this with Mr. Fowler and Mr. Tonahill, and it’s our
joint view that there should be an announcement made that you have
requested a polygraph examination and that we have conducted one under
the auspices of the President’s Commission through the cooperation of
the Federal Bureau of Investigation, that there has been extensive
examination and the results, of course, cannot yet be known at this
date, but they are to be taken to Washington and studied for future
action by the Commission.
Mr. RUBY. Let’s make it clear that Mr. Tonahill don’t represent me.
Joe, let’s have that understanding?
Mr. TONAHILL. Clayton is going to make whatever announcement is made
for you, Jack.
Mr. RUBY. Joe, let’s have that understanding, will you please, Joe?
Mr. FOWLER. Jack, we’ll have no difficulty with that, don’t worry about
that.
Mr. SPECTER. The substance of what I just said was discussed by me with
Mr. Fowler and it is our thought that that would be an appropriate
statement to make at this particular time. That’s about as far as we
can go. Do you concur in the advisability of that?
Mr. RUBY. Now, with reference to hedging on questions and so on, don’t
you think some comment should be made that I wasn’t reluctant in
answering any of the questions that were put to me?
Mr. SPECTER. I think that would be a fair comment to make, if you want
that statement made?
Mr. RUBY. Yes; I think so.
Mr. ALEXANDER. That there was cooperation. That he was cooperative.
Mr. SPECTER. Yes; that he was cooperative.
Mr. RUBY. On all questions on anything and everything pertaining to
anything.
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Ruby, in view of your interest in that disclosure, I
think that would be appropriate to be made.
Mr. ALEXANDER. That without reservation, he cooperated fully.
Mr. RUBY. I wanted to be more specific, that I wanted to be asked.
Mr. SPECTER. Well, I said that initially. In other words, that it is at
your request that we had conducted this, so that it would be clear that
you took the lead in initiating this examination, which is the fact,
and we will state the fact or give you the credit in that direction,
just as it is the fact.
Mr. RUBY. But the point I wanted to bring out was that I wanted
to specify that I also wanted to be asked any and all questions,
regardless of what might be subversive or whatever thoughts might be in
your mind.
Bill, I think you can give these people certain questions and more
potent ones than they know, because you probably know a lot of things
that you have in your own mind that you’d like to have answered too?
Mr. FOWLER. Well, Jack, let me say this for your purpose and for the
purpose of the Warren Commission. This is not a trial and really, Mr.
Alexander is here as an attorney just like I am. He’s representing the
State just as Mr. Tonahill and I are representing you.
Mr. RUBY. Yes.
Mr. ALEXANDER. Jack, I can’t really think of anything that I’d like to
ask.
Mr. RUBY. Well, let me get this clear. I notice that the pictures
brought out the fact that there are two sets of private boxes, close
together in the post office. Did you gentlemen know this? Which is
quite an insinuation.
Mr. ALEXANDER. Jack, let’s ask the question, “Did you meet Oswald at
the post office at any time, as far as you know, until the next day?”
Mr. RUBY. Yes—and also they had a statement in there that I used the
box for purpose of mail orders and to do business with Mexico and Cuba.
That’s incorrect because I never did business with Mexico and Cuba.
Now, these are things that you gentlemen don’t want to ask me, but Mr.
Alexander would know what to tell you about that.
Mr. ALEXANDER. There is one question that ought to be asked.
Mr. SPECTER. I want that, Bill.
Mr. ALEXANDER. “Did any Cuban or foreign influence cause you to do any
act?”
Mr. RUBY. Very good—very good.
Mr. ALEXANDER. Because there has been some question about maybe Jack
was motivated from Cuba and we ought to eliminate that and ask him a
question to give him a chance to eliminate it.
Mr. RUBY. Also, I want to get the gun situation straightened out. You
know what I’m talking about—the Ray Brantley call.
Mr. ALEXANDER. Yes.
Mr. RUBY. And the trip down to Cuba—I’m getting things confused now.
Mr. ALEXANDER. Let’s let him write that.
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Ruby, we have conferred with all parties here on the
substance of the questions to be asked. Naturally, we have limitations
in time and we can only ask them in a short series. We have conferred
with Mr. Fowler, we have conferred with Mr. Wade and with Mr. Alexander
here, and naturally also, the interest of the Commission is paramount,
and we are doing our very best not to interfere with the State criminal
proceedings. We do not wish to take sides at all nor to influence it
in any way. We want to accomplish the purpose of the Commission. Those
interests overlap to some extent because whenever we ask a Commission
question, it has collateral bearings on a great many things, but to
the extent that we can, we have conferred, as I say, with the defense
counsel and the representatives of the district attorney’s office in
arriving at the questions which have been asked, and I think we will
cover before this examination is concluded the important areas. Now, at
the end of it, if you feel that there is some other area that you would
like to have covered, we would be very willing to hear your request and
to accommodate you to the maximum extent possible consistent with the
policy of the Commission.
Mr. RUBY. Mr. Alexander knows certain questions that he has in his mind
that haven’t come out and I think I know what he’s thinking about.
Mr. SPECTER. Well, Mr. Alexander has talked to me about some questions
that I’m sure he would prefer on the record and we have taken those
into account in formulating our questions. Isn’t that so, Mr. Alexander?
Mr. ALEXANDER. Yes, sir. I think what Jack has in mind is that he wants
an opportunity to answer a question regarding any possible connection
with anything in Cuba. Also, he wants a question asked that will give
him an opportunity to explain that the gun which he asked Ray Brantley
to mail to McWillie in Las Vegas——
Mr. RUBY. Not to Vegas, to Cuba, and all I did was to receive a phone
call, and this was—I told this to the Warren Commission—and this was
during the time when we were very friendly together.
Mr. ALEXANDER. That was in 1958.
Mr. RUBY. All I did was relay the phone message to Ray Brantley, and he
said, “Oh, I know Mr. McWillie very well,” and following that I never
followed up or seen him. Now, this is incriminating for me because
all I did—like a tool—got myself involved by relating a message that
somebody else wanted. Now, this was during peacetime because he wanted
protection from the foreign element coming in.
Mr. ALEXANDER. Jack relayed the message that McWillie wanted a Smith &
Wesson or some kind of a .38.
Mr. RUBY. Yes. There wasn’t no money or anything in the deal. Ray
Brantley said, “Oh, I know McWillie. I’ve done business with him
constantly.” Following that—I never followed up on it a time, and
what he did—and this is incriminating against me very bad, but he
had the irony to do this—when I mentioned the fact that I did call
Ray Brantley, this man denied that I called him. That makes me a
liar to that extent, so I want that question put to me in reference
to Ray Brantley and all that and I want about my trip to Cuba and my
association with the underworld.
Mr. SPECTER. Well, the question of the gun with Ray Brantley was
covered in detail when the Chief Justice was here and we shall cover
that in the balance of the polygraph examination.
Mr. RUBY. I also had numerous phone calls, long-distance calls, all
over the country and that was with relationship only to my nightclub
that I had trouble with the union. There was no conspiracy, but you’ll
go into that.
Mr. SPECTER. You covered that also in your testimony before the
Commission.
Mr. RUBY. Yes; but that doesn’t prove anything.
Mr. ALEXANDER. Let me suggest one question there to ask him?
Mr. SPECTER. Yes, sir.
Mr. ALEXANDER. “Did any telephone call you made have any connection,
however remote, with your shooting of Oswald?”
Mr. RUBY. No.
Mr. ALEXANDER. That will cover it.
Mr. TONAHILL. How about asking him if he didn’t tell the Warren
Commission the truth several weeks ago in answering every question they
asked him?
Mr. RUBY. I didn’t elaborate enough with them and we didn’t go into
it enough, because I was telling a complete story. Yes; I’ll answer
that—certainly I will.
Mr. SPECTER. Fine; that will be asked of you.
Mr. HERNDON. That will be somewhat all inclusive.
Mr. SPECTER. We’ll have that for the very next series.
Mr. ALEXANDER. “Did you have any telephone conversation which related
in any way with the shooting of Oswald?”
Mr. RUBY. Also, ask me whether the phone calls were in reference to the
union trying to get somebody to help me with my club.
Mr. ALEXANDER. Let’s make another question about that. “Did any union
or underworld connection have anything to do with the shooting of
Oswald?”
Mr. RUBY. Very good.
Mr. SPECTER. Yes; I will add those in and cover them to the maximum
extent possible, and I add that reservation because there are a great
many additional questions to be asked which we have already mapped out.
Mr. HERNDON. Do you want me to proceed with the usual preliminaries?
Mr. RUBY. You don’t have to proceed with that. Why don’t you just call
them to me and I’ll answer them. You want to go through a formality—a
previous thing.
Mr. ALEXANDER. Jack, he’s got to have a record.
Mr. HERNDON. I want to make sure you understand the question involved.
Mr. RUBY. I’m sure I do.
Mr. HERNDON. I feel in fairness to both of us, we have to do this.
Mr. RUBY. Believe me—believe me, you don’t have to go through that
formality, if you want to save yourself a lot of time, and I think
you’ll like that better.
Mr. ALEXANDER. Jack, he has to have a written question that’s keyed to
this tape.
Mr. RUBY. Yes; I follow that, but he doesn’t have to go through the
preliminary explaining to me this because I’ll answer anything you want
“off the hook.”
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Ruby, we appreciate your willingness to do that and
we’ll take you up on that to the fullest extent possible, but Mr.
Herndon has to do some preliminary questioning which is indispensable
to his evaluation.
Mr. RUBY. All right, get him to minimize it if he can.
Mr. SPECTER. He will bear that in mind and minimize it to the fullest
extent.
Mr. HERNDON. Are you ready?
Mr. SPECTER. Yes.
Mr. HERNDON. Then, these gentlemen actually will not be aware of the
questions, is that all right with you, I mean—prior to the time they
leave? I believe we discussed that previously and I did want to mention
it, that it would be so important when the questions would be asked.
Mr. ALEXANDER. Not to me, Jack.
Mr. RUBY. I see—about your being aware of the question.
Mr. HERNDON. Mr. Specter, you recall, previously—one of the reasons
I was going over all the questions before actually conducting the
examination was in order for these gentlemen that are in attendance to
be aware of what questions are going to be asked Mr. Ruby during the
actual polygraph examination. Now, if we dispense with that before we
go over these questions, if they leave the room, they do not know the
questions I’m going to ask him.
Mr. ALEXANDER. I don’t think Jack has any objection to us staying here
at this time, do you, Jack?
Mr. RUBY. No; I certainly don’t.
Mr. FOWLER. Well, of course, I still have the same objection, and
respectfully request again, Jack, that we’re not trying to hide
anything—don’t misunderstand me.
Mr. RUBY. Just a minute—let me tell you something. I want to straighten
up some things. Whether he leaves the room or not, Mr. Alexander is
going to know everything that went on here, so please concede to it.
Mr. FOWLER. Well, I’ll concede to this, that at sometime he will know,
but I’m saying this—that perhaps there might be something, Jack, that
might in some way be to your detriment if Mr. Alexander knew the answer
to the question at this time. Now, he may say “No,” but I still, as
your attorney and in trying to protect your rights, insist that it be
handled in this way, and I would certainly appreciate your cooperation
with me to that extent.
Mr. RUBY. The only reason I want Mr. Alexander here, I want him to know
my effectiveness when I answer the questions.
Mr. FOWLER. Jack, that’s very well, and I don’t think he has any doubt
that you’re trying to hide it and all of that.
Mr. SPECTER. Then, let us proceed as we have before, with Mr. Herndon
announcing the questions in advance but going through a minimum amount
of preliminaries so that he is satisfied that he can evaluate the
results.
Mr. RUBY. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. And we will proceed on that basis.
Mr. RUBY. You can run through them a lot faster and I’ll grasp them.
Mr. HERNDON. All right; I will proceed in that manner and also with the
questions we have already set forth.
Mr. SPECTER. Yes; and then we’ll supplement them to cover the
additional topics which have not yet been included.
Mr. HERNDON. All right, Mr. Ruby, do you feel all right to continue
with this?
Mr. RUBY. Yes; I am ready.
Mr. HERNDON. Very fine. I will hook this up and go over these questions
and I’ll just read them out to you and you just speak up if there is
one you want to rephrase.
Mr. RUBY. Go ahead.
Mr. HERNDON. “Did you see the armored truck before you went to the
basement?”
Mr. RUBY. No.
Mr. HERNDON. “Did you enter the police department through a door at the
rear on the east side of the jail?”
Mr. RUBY. No.
Mr. HERNDON. “After talking to Little Lynn, did you hear any
announcement that Oswald was about to be moved?”
Mr. RUBY. No.
Mr. HERNDON. “Before you left your apartment Sunday morning, did anyone
tell you the armored car was on the way to the police department?”
Mr. RUBY. No.
Mr. HERNDON. Those are your main questions, and I will ask you some of
these other routine questions.
Mr. RUBY. All right; go ahead.
Mr. HERNDON. “Do you have any brothers?”
Mr. RUBY. Yes.
Mr. HERNDON. “Do you have any sisters?”
Mr. RUBY. Yes.
Mr. HERNDON. “Have you answered all questions truthfully?”
Mr. RUBY. Yes.
Mr. HERNDON. Now, here’s a question I want to go over with you very
carefully. “Did you ever hit anyone with any kind of weapon?”
Mr. RUBY. Yes.
Mr. HERNDON. All right; I’ll give you an opportunity now to explain
that to me. This is for my purposes of the examination.
Mr. RUBY. Well, in running a—in my business, when you get somebody
with a—it’s a very exciting business. One particular night a man
pulled a knife on me and I took a pistol and hit him on the head in
that altercation, and sometimes you get fellows with real bad rough
reputations. They’re real toughs. There’s no question about it, and
being in my type of business for a livelihood, the only way you can—of
course, I do call the law enforcement officers. At that particular
moment, it’s my life or theirs, and some of these men are pretty
powerful physically, and I fought in every way possible, with my fists
and everything else—but to minimize the various troubles I had, where
there would be an altercation or something come up, I’d tell them to
leave, and of course, something would happen and they would go from
here—whatever it is. It happened a few times where I would pummel a few
of these men.
Mr. HERNDON. I understand, Mr. Ruby, but all of these incidents that
you recall are in connection with your operating this club?
Mr. RUBY. Yes; they are at the club. These boys are real bad boys and
they all have records, and they’re pretty tough guys. Will you agree
with something on that?
Mr. ALEXANDER. That’s right.
Mr. HERNDON. Then, on the actual test. I’m going to ask you this
question: “Other than what you’ve told me, did you ever hit anyone with
any kind of weapon?”
Mr. RUBY. I don’t follow—“Other than what you’ve told me?”
Mr. HERNDON. In other words, other than your being the owner of a
nightclub, which because of the type of customers you occasionally
have, you would have to use some force, perhaps hit a customer or hit
someone in your club?
Mr. RUBY. Yes.
Mr. HERNDON. Have you ever been involved in any other situation where
you actually struck at somebody with a weapon? “Weapon” here I’m
referring to as a gun, club, or knife or anything that would be other
than just a normal fist-fight.
Mr. RUBY. Yes; that happened, but that was before I got in this
trouble. This man threatened to kill me and was going to go for his
gun, and I was nice enough to have him stay at my place and he was
causing a nuisance in the vicinity of the club, causing brawls and
all that and I tried to reprimand him, and a little boy of Italian
descent and very gracious, somehow he got very belligerent with me,
and I knew he had a car and he said, “I’m going to get my pistol,” and
there’s a funny reaction about that. Once they get you cowered to that
extent, then you’re doomed, and there’s a funny feeling, when I was
with him, that you have with them. So, I got my pistol and I cornered
him and I called him by his name and I called him a name, and I said,
“You’re going to kill me, you so-and-so?” Finally he said, “I was only
kidding, I was only kidding,” and there’s a certain reaction you have
and I can’t explain it. That’s the only time any crime of that sort has
ever happened outside of my business.
Mr. HERNDON. Outside of your business?
Mr. RUBY. Yes, sir.
Mr. HERNDON. Then, if I asked you whether or not you told me you ever
hit anyone with any kind of weapon, unless something else comes up to
your mind, you would answer that “Yes”?
Mr. RUBY. Yes, like if I was a goon or something.
Mr. HERNDON. Yes, a union goon.
Mr. RUBY. A union goon. Right. I haven’t been a slugger or anything
like that.
Mr. HERNDON. All right, we can go along here Mr. Ruby, and I will hook
up the instrument.
(Reporter’s note: 6:43 p.m.)
Mr. HERNDON. Will you raise your arms, Mr. Ruby, please? Do you feel
comfortable?
Mr. RUBY. Yes.