Mr. GRIFFIN. Were there any other people that you know of who worked in
the union with Jack?
Mr. RUBY. I think my brother Hy worked for a little while in the union.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Sam work in the union?
Mr. RUBY. I don’t think so. I only went there on very rare occasions,
very rare. I may have been to one or two meetings in all. I didn’t get
paid for it either, just, you know, kicks just to hand out the flyers,
that is all.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Can you think of any other people who were involved in the
union?
Mr. RUBY. Well, I know John Martin, he was the president.
Mr. GRIFFIN. He is the fellow who was killed?
Mr. RUBY. No; he shot Leon Cooke.
Mr. GRIFFIN. He shot Leon Cooke. Is John Martin still living?
Mr. RUBY. I don’t know. I know there was another fellow but I can’t
think of his name. There was a fellow by the name—I can’t think of
their names. They had odd names. Of course, that goes back in the
thirties, I think, right in there somewhere. I don’t even remember
where it was.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was Leon Cooke a fellow about your brother’s age?
Mr. RUBY. Yes; I think so.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So Jack would have been in the late twenties at the time
that he and Leon formed the union?
Mr. RUBY. I don’t know. I don’t know what year it was even. I don’t
even remember.
Mr. GRIFFIN. It was in the late thirties, wasn’t it.
Mr. RUBY. I don’t know. I really don’t know.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know of any girls that Jack dated?
Mr. RUBY. In Chicago?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mr. RUBY. Offhand not even one because he was, as I said, 4 years older
than I was and we didn’t run around together. I know of the one he
went with in Dallas, which was, I think she was—I don’t know if she
testified at the trial or not.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That is Alice Nichols?
Mr. RUBY. Alice Nichols.
Mr. GRIFFIN. She is not a Jewish girl, is she?
Mr. RUBY. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did it seem to be Jack’s practice to get interested in
women who are, what do you call them, shiksas?
Mr. RUBY. No; I really don’t know because I don’t know too much. You
see he traveled in a different—I am trying to think. When he was going
to Marshall High School that is when you usually start going with
girls. I don’t recall those days because I was too young.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What I am interested in exploring with you, if you can
in a somewhat objective fashion, is some of the contrast between
evidence you have shown us with his obsession with the fact that he was
a Jew, and other indications that, for example, his dating girls who
were gentiles and his living outside of the home away from the Jewish
practices which might indicate that he had some desire to escape his
Jewish background. Did you see any evidence of that?
Mr. RUBY. No; that I wouldn’t—because believe it or not, when my mother
passed away and also my father, you know, we have to go say services,
we are supposed to say services for a year every day and I didn’t keep
it up, but he did.