Mrs. RICH. Hanover—the phone calls; yes. May I also add at this time
that due to a personal contact of mine, I will be doing, not for pay
but as a favor, a little bit of looking into a few matters for the
Mansfield Police Department for Chief D’Alefie, I believe.
Mr. HUBERT. He recently contacted you?
Mrs. RICH. Well, the day I was up there we got talking and come to find
out I could probably help him—in fact, me being here today stopped me
from actually doing it.
Mr. HUBERT. And the day you saw him was last Thursday?
Mrs. RICH. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And it was at that time he said he might be able to use
your services?
Mrs. RICH. Yes; most definitely. And then again, come Friday, and I get
notification of this, I was just wondering whether or not it added in.
It may and it may not. But I was told to tell you. And I have done so.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, what happened on Friday?
Mrs. RICH. No. I received notification, your letter.
Mr. HUBERT. I see what you mean.
Mrs. RICH. And I wondered if it did not somehow have a bearing on this.
Mr. HUBERT. But this tailing was after you got the letter, and after
you had spoken to——
Mrs. RICH. No; it started the day before. It was the same week.
Thursday I started to be tailed. Rod got the letter Thursday, called
the FBI, and God knows how many people he told. Thursday afternoon I
picked up a tail.
Mr. HUBERT. And you reported that to the Mansfield police.
Mrs. RICH. That was the first time I saw a policeman that I could pull
over and say, “Get the guy, he is tailing me.” And he most definitely
was.
Mr. HUBERT. But there were two occasions when you observed that you
were being tailed.
Mrs. RICH. No; from last Thursday up until Sunday night I had a tail on
me.
Mr. HUBERT. But you reported to the chief of police in Mansfield on
Thursday that you had a tail on you.
Mrs. RICH. The Mansfield police is the one that caught the guy that was
tailing me Thursday. I have not had a chance to report——
Mr. HUBERT. It was a different person, then, you think.
Mrs. RICH. The person that has been tailing me Friday, Saturday, and
Sunday is not the same person that has been tailing me Thursday. They
caught the guy Thursday.
Mr. HUBERT. What sort of an automobile was it that was tailing you?
Mrs. RICH. Thursday?
Mr. HUBERT. No. Well, Thursday first.
Mrs. RICH. Thursday was a black Pontiac, Massachusetts registration, a
Mr. Alberto, from Hyde Park. They got him.
Mr. HUBERT. That is his name, Alberto?
Mrs. RICH. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. What is his first name?
Mrs. RICH. I have forgotten.
Mr. HUBERT. And the other car that has been tailing you?
Mrs. RICH. Plural.
Mr. HUBERT. What?
Mrs. RICH. More than one.
Mr. HUBERT. More than one individual, or more than one car, or both?
Mrs. RICH. Both. Friday and Saturday it was a green, I would say,
probably 1961, 1962 Chevrolet.
Mr. HUBERT. Green?
Mrs. RICH. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Was it the same man?
Mrs. RICH. No; it was not. It was an older man. The fellow following me
was probably maybe 21, 23 years old.
Mr. HUBERT. That is the first fellow.
Mrs. RICH. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Friday and Saturday it was the same man?
Mrs. RICH. Middle aged; I didn’t get a real good look at him—I would
say probably in his forties. He rather looked to be a husky-looking
fellow. And Sunday I picked up a tail, and it was a man and a woman.
And I thought I recognized the girl, and I cannot be sure.
Mr. HUBERT. Same automobile?
Mrs. RICH. No; it was not the same vehicle.
Mr. HUBERT. Tell us about that automobile.
Mrs. RICH. The vehicle that was on me Sunday was a blue two-door
hardtop. And I do not know the make of the car.
Mr. HUBERT. And you have not reported those last incidents?
Mrs. RICH. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, they tailed you from where to where?
Mrs. RICH. Wherever I went. I would leave the house, and believe me I
think I know when I am being tailed. When I pull over to the side of
the road, and a car pulls up and doesn’t pass me—I will do this two or
three times. And when I take a turnoff where nobody else will take, and
the car is still there, I think they are tailing me.
Mr. HUBERT. You tried to shake them?
Mrs. RICH. Precisely.
Mr. HUBERT. And you were not able to do so.
Mrs. RICH. That’s correct.
Mr. HUBERT. When you get to your house, did they park around it?
Mrs. RICH. The one time the man did, down on the bridge—the boundary
line to our property is a river. And he sat down there and pretended
to be looking in the water. And then I would see him down by Jordan’s,
which is an eating house. Then he would be cruising around. And finally
he would give up and go away. And in a couple of hours he would be
back. Every time I took the car out, they were there.
Mr. HUBERT. What about at night? Did you observe anything?
Mrs. RICH. I didn’t go out at night.
Mr. HUBERT. Therefore you did not observe anything.
Mrs. RICH. No; I didn’t bother. Saturday I went to Maine—took my
daughter down to my mother’s. I had the green car on my tail all the
way to Maine and back.
Mr. HUBERT. How did you get to Washington to come to this deposition?
Mrs. RICH. By plane; American Airlines.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you notice anything about being tailed in that regard?
Mrs. RICH. I didn’t notice. I don’t think I was. I left my house in my
own car and drove to North Quincy, where I was subsequently picked up
by Mr. Milton of the Secret Service and taken directly to the airport,
and he stayed with me until I left. I was subsequently met here by Bill
something-or-other of the Secret Service. Now, as I say, this may or
may not—quite frankly, I don’t think it does have any bearing on this.
But I think it is something entirely different. I think it has to do
with the names of some bookmakers and a couple of abortionists I turned
in to the district attorney in Boston.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, you mentioned to me earlier that this card which has
been identified as Exhibit No. 3 is a card that is usually issued—am I
not right—that it is a card usually issued under the requirements of
California law to a person who has got a record; is that correct?
Mrs. RICH. No; that is not correct. No. 1, the card is obsolete. That
is why it was back-dated. It was merely a pawnshop identification card.
Mr. HUBERT. I think you mentioned that it would establish your status
in someway for, I think you used the word, obvious purposes. What would
this card do in connection with the work that you were supposed to do?
Mrs. RICH. Well, the card in itself, nothing. It would prove I was
there when I said I was, because I had to attend associations with
certain people, who at that time were safely tucked away, but at
the time I was supposedly supposed to be there they were not—I was
supposedly supposed to have worked for these people. If I recall
correctly I said that I have a police record under that same name of
Julie Anne Cody.
Mr. HUBERT. And that name—that police record—is a fictitious record in
the sense that the offenses listed under the name of Julie Anne Cody
really did not ever occur.
Mrs. RICH. That is correct.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you have any record under your right name?
Mrs. RICH. Yes, I do.
Mr. HUBERT. What is that?
Mrs. RICH. That is in Brookline, Mass., and it is a record for
prostitution.
Mr. HUBERT. Is that fictitious?
Mrs. RICH. That is not.
Mr. HUBERT. Is that the only record you have?
Mrs. RICH. That’s correct—that I know of.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, I assume that you would know all the records you have.
Mrs. RICH. Well, when I say that, I was picked up twice in Dallas and
both times the charges were dropped—as far as I know. That is what Sy
Victorson told me.
Mr. HUBERT. Were you ever charged?
Mrs. RICH. Not that I know of.
Mr. HUBERT. Were you ever booked?
Mrs. RICH. I don’t believe so.
Mr. HUBERT. But you were arrested.
Mrs. RICH. Yes. One time I was in jail for a couple of hours, the other
time 5 hours, because they could not get hold of Sy, who was on the
golf course.
Mr. HUBERT. Were you told why you were being arrested?