Mr. GRIFFIN. So that I wonder if——

Mr. SENATOR. In other words, I got to be careful when I’m driving

because if you get nabbed by the Dallas cops, you are in trouble, but

good trouble, and I don’t want to get in that condition.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What I am wondering, from what you are saying here, if it

isn’t a fair impression to draw——

Mr. SENATOR. If it isn’t what?

Mr. GRIFFIN. If I couldn’t fairly infer that you had been drinking

most of the time after you heard that the President was shot, although

you don’t feel that you had been drinking so much that you weren’t in

control of yourself.

Mr. SENATOR. Oh, I was in control of myself.

Mr. GRIFFIN. But you had been drinking fairly steadily from the time

you heard the President was shot until you went home that night?

Mr. SENATOR. Yes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Would this have anything to do with your failure to

recollect what you had done that day?

Mr. SENATOR. I don’t think I was that tight; no. I just don’t remember

where I navigated that day.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Can you suggest again—and I keep throwing the same

question back to you—can you think or suggest someone that you saw that

day?

Mr. SENATOR. I don’t know if I saw—I keep on bringing up this attorney

all the while, Jim Martin. I don’t know if I saw him, called him, or

went to his office that day or not. I used to meet him before all this

here was going on, you know, for cocktail hour before I went home,

between 5 to 6, and went home, but I don’t know if I met him that day

or not.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Where did you have dinner that night?

Mr. SENATOR. I don’t even think I had dinner that night.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you attempt to get in touch with Jack Ruby that night?

Mr. SENATOR. No.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Why was that?

Mr. SENATOR. No particular reason why. I just didn’t; that is all. I

didn’t even look for him. There was no special reason. You see, I have

never, if I am out, gotten on the telephone to see if he was home or

what he was going to do or things of that nature. In other words, when

I am out I am free.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Jack wasn’t somebody that you did things with; is that

fair to say?

Mr. SENATOR. No; I didn’t do much with him; no.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And part of the reason was Jack didn’t drink? Wasn’t that

probably part of it?

Mr. SENATOR. Jack don’t like me drinking and Jack don’t like to see me

go into joints. All right. Now the Burgundy Room; I don’t know if you

have ever been there while you were down there.

Mr. GRIFFIN. No; I haven’t.

Mr. SENATOR. It is a nice place. It gets fine transient trade and local

people, and it is one of the nicest places, I feel as an open bar that

you can go to.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Does Jack somehow have the idea that you drink too much?

Mr. SENATOR. Not exactly drink too much. You know I can drink one beer

and he will say, “You are drunk, aren’t you?” He will pull this on me.

He has pulled it many a time on me.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Does he feel that way about other people?

Mr. SENATOR. I don’t know. I don’t know about other people. But he

didn’t like me drinking. He said it to me many a time.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Why did you put up with a guy who criticized your personal

habits as much as Jack appears to have done?

Mr. SENATOR. In all reality, it didn’t bother me. I didn’t care what he

said.

Mr. GRIFFIN. He sort of treated you like you were his son?

Mr. SENATOR. Oh, no; no. He just didn’t like to have me drink; that

is all. He felt I was wasting—believe it or not, here is a man with a

club who felt I was throwing my money away, and he felt that I couldn’t

afford to be throwing my money away.

Mr. GRIFFIN. He took some sort of a brotherly or fatherly interest in

you, or was this just Jack’s desire to dominate people?

Mr. SENATOR. Dominate? I don’t know if “dominate” would be the word.

But as a friend he liked me; I will put it that way. He liked me as a

friend.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Is that because of anything you had done for him?

Mr. SENATOR. Well, you know, I did a lot of things for him, and, of

course, he has done things for me, you know. When I was down and out he

helped me out.

Mr. GRIFFIN. You showed him a certain amount of loyalty and confidence.

Mr. SENATOR. Yes; you see, I don’t argue back with him. I don’t know if

he likes this or not, you know. I don’t want to argue with him. So I

“Yes” him to get the argument over with, because when he hollers at me

he hollers from the rooftops. But when you hear enough of it, it didn’t

bother me. It may have bothered a lot of people, but it didn’t bother

me because with me I knew there was no harm that would be done. But

the shrill of his voice, you know he was around. You could hear it.

Mr. GRIFFIN. OK; let’s go on there on page 298 from where we were.

Mr. SENATOR. It says, “Ruby and Senator arose on November 24, and

Senator noticed Ruby had brought one of four dogs which he ordinarily

keeps at the Carousel home with him.” He brings this same dog home

every night. And when it says, “Ruby and Senator arose,” it is like we

woke up at the same time. That is not so.

Mr. GRIFFIN. This refers to Sunday morning, November 24; is that right?

Mr. SENATOR. Yes.

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