Mr. SENATOR. Somebody told me to take a look at this new place going
up. At the time I looked at it, this place wasn’t even ready.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you suggest to Jack that he might also want to move in
there?
Mr. SENATOR. I mentioned to Jack to take a look at it, see. This is
before either one of us were living there. The thing was still in the
working stages. It was coming round to completion, you know.
Mr. GRIFFIN. As we had discussed before, you moved in with Jack in the
early part of 1962 and lived with him for about 5 months?
Mr. SENATOR. But not at this place.
Mr. GRIFFIN. No; at another place.
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And, of course, during that 5 months you began to know the
man better.
Mr. SENATOR. Oh, sure.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You came closer to him, but you decided when you got a job
you wanted to move out from him?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now I am curious as to why you decided that you wanted to
move out rather than decide that you would stay there and pay part of
the rent.
Mr. SENATOR. Particularly one. I told you he didn’t keep a very clean
place, but should I classify myself to say a man who is unemployed, a
beggar—beggars can’t be choosers, that is an old saying, right?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mr. SENATOR. That is part of it. All right, I know the overall picture
that Jack would rather live alone, see. I mean if somebody is out,
something like me, if I needed a place, all right, he would keep me.
But in the overall picture he would rather live alone.
And many a guy has slept at his place whether the Carousel or one of
the apartments he may live in, and I don’t know how many he has lived
in previous to when I knew him where he may put up a guy for a night,
2, 3, 4, or 5, whatever it might be, and fed him, because he was tapped
or something of that nature. He has done this many a time, and I would
probably say even before I knew him, and I feel this probably could go
back to the hardships of his youth, because he, as I understand it, he
had a rough bringing up and growing up.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he talk about that to you?
Mr. SENATOR. He talked about some of it, but I never heard all of it
come out in the courtroom. Of course, I never knew up until, you know,
the recent times that his mother was in an institution or a crazy
house, which I never knew. And, of course, I didn’t know how drunk his
father used to be, but I understand he was a habitual——
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he talk about his father when you lived with him?
Mr. SENATOR. I think he had mentioned his father, but he had never
mentioned his mother, never, which I never knew. Of course, this all
come out after the shooting, you know, everything come out, was brought
out either by the sisters or somebody. And I never knew about how the
kids were all separated, things of that nature, when they were young.
One was placed here, one was placed there, wherever they were placed. A
lot of these things I never even knew.