Mr. GRIFFIN. Before you mark on it—why don’t you do this——

Mr. SENATOR. It will only be a dot.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Why don’t you just take this paper and make some notes on

it and then we can go back.

Mr. SENATOR. There is going to be some changes in here. I will point

them out to you.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Have you got some changes to make there?

Mr. SENATOR. Yes. I had better go over it with you though.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Why don’t you read the sentence or sentences that you

would make changes in, and then we will discuss them? What I suggest

you do is read one sentence or a group of sentences that are wrong, and

then we will discuss that sentence or group, and then we will move on

to the next one. Go right ahead and read it.

Mr. SENATOR. It says here, “He had only casual association with

him, mostly only as a patron to his club, from that time on until

approximately 3 years ago.”

Mr. GRIFFIN. That is on page 296 of the FBI report?

Mr. SENATOR. Yes. Now it wasn’t 3 years ago at the time. This was 2

years ago.

Mr. GRIFFIN. In other words, your association with Jack was casual up

until 2 years ago?

Mr. SENATOR. That is right.

Mr. GRIFFIN. All right.

Mr. SENATOR. In other words, it was 1962, February, March, or April or

somewheres in there of 1962.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Why don’t you change with your pen, strike out the word

“three.”

Mr. SENATOR. On this?

Mr. GRIFFIN. On that. And write “two.”

Mr. SENATOR. You mean cross the three off and put a two in there?

Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes. And then initial it and date it.

Mr. SENATOR. It is going to be hard to squeeze it in between these

lines. Shall I put my initial after it?

Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.

Mr. SENATOR. You won’t be able to see it. These writings here don’t

coincide.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Let me talk a little bit more about this change in your

relationship with Jack. Up until approximately March or April of 1962

when your relationship became more than casual, were there other people

in Dallas to whom you felt closer than Jack?

Mr. SENATOR. No; I think maybe we are both misinterpreting this. When

you say closer, this is when I first started to—you know, when I was

down and out and I first started to work for him, and I was living

with him. You see what I mean?

Mr. GRIFFIN. This is March or April of 1962?

Mr. SENATOR. I would probably say either February, March, or April,

something like that. I don’t remember that I was living with him,

because previous to that I still didn’t see him any more than I ever

did in the past.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And up to this time were there other people in Dallas whom

you saw more frequently than Jack?

Mr. SENATOR. Oh, the only time I saw Jack is when I ever met him

anywheres, if I should run across him anywheres, or once in a while I

would go up to his club, that was all, and it has never been anything

but that up until that time.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Who did you see more frequently or on a more social basis?

Mr. SENATOR. Actually I couldn’t see him frequently. Before that I was

traveling. See, I was traveling. I wasn’t home every weekend. There

were times when I was traveling, there were times I might miss a week

from coming home. It all depends on the location you are—if you are too

far from home. Then other times I might be gone two or three. It all

depends, you know.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What I want to get some idea of is up until this period

that you moved in with Jack in 1962, who were the people that you saw

on a social basis?

Mr. SENATOR. Well, I have seen Bill Downey. What I want to impress you,

these people I don’t see every day, or like, you know, say I see them

today, tomorrow, the next day, and things like that. On rare occasions

I saw Don Taber. That time on rare occasions I saw Jim Martin. These

were all rare, mind you, then. See, I did more meeting. I met a lot of

people at the Burgundy Room most of the time. In other words, somebody

has a favorite hangout.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And that Burgundy Room was yours?

Mr. SENATOR. This is mine.

Mr. GRIFFIN. For how long has it been your favorite hangout?

Mr. SENATOR. Ever since I came to Dallas.

Mr. GRIFFIN. This is a place you would go almost every day?

Mr. SENATOR. I would probably say more so than any other place.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you go there almost every day?

Mr. SENATOR. No, not every day, no.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Two or three times a week?

Mr. SENATOR. I would say yes, sure, and I always met some friends

there—after they all get out from work a lot of people always gathered,

transient or local, from 5 on.

Mr. GRIFFIN. The Burgundy Room to you is sort of what a private club

would be to a wealthier man?

Mr. SENATOR. That is of that nature, yes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And there were certain other people who used to hang

around there?

Mr. SENATOR. Yes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Was Jack Ruby one of the people?

Mr. SENATOR. No. I have only seen Jack go in there that I can remember

twice, but he never sat down and had a drink. In and out. Walked in.

Jack is not a drinking man.

Mr. GRIFFIN. So would it be fair to say that for recreation and

pastime——

Mr. SENATOR. Just as one of my hangouts.

Mr. GRIFFIN. You would go to the Burgundy Room and have a few beers, a

few drinks?

Mr. SENATOR. Yes. Whoever walked in. I had many friends who walked in.

Whoever walked in, there is many girls that I knew, many fellows that I

knew.

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