Mr. SENATOR. Buddy Turman.
Mr. GRIFFIN. The other Turman we talked about is Nick Turman?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes; I don’t know who that is. Now, see, he is known
by his fighting name, is Buddy Turman and, of course, that is all I
recall. I never knew it was Floyd, but he is billed, and everything
else, as Buddy Turman.
Mr. GRIFFIN. On the back of page 4 there is the name Buddy Heard. Did
you know Buddy Heard?
Mr. SENATOR. Buddy Heard, yes. He is an entertainer who worked for Jack
once, I would probably say about two years ago was the last time he was
in Dallas.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Has Jack maintained a relationship with him recently?
Mr. SENATOR. No. I would say it was approximately, it must have been
approximately two years ago. He worked for him, I think, one time.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When you say “no” to my question about Jack maintaining a
relationship with him recently?
Mr. SENATOR. I don’t know of any.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about any of the other names that you see there on the
back of page 4? Do you recognize any of those?
Mr. SENATOR. What does this say? Is this Burt?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Burt. Did you know a Burt?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I am not going to direct your attention to page 5 because
page 5 doesn’t have anything on it. I believe it has nothing on it that
we haven’t already talked about. The back of page 5 has the name “Jerry
Lindsay”. Do you recognize that name?
Mr. SENATOR. No. Floorman, that is the man that worked on the floor or
did some work for him, or something, but I don’t recognize the name.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recognize the name of Leo? Do you know anybody
named Leo?
Mr. SENATOR. Leo Tardi? He worked for Jack.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What was his name?
Mr. SENATOR. I think it is Tardi. I am not sure.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When did he work for Jack?
Mr. SENATOR. The last time he worked for Jack, he had worked both
clubs, you know, the Vegas and that one there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What kind of work did he do?
Mr. SENATOR. After the shooting he worked up at the club at nights and,
of course, he was a salesman in the daytime.
Mr. GRIFFIN. But what kind of work?
Mr. SENATOR. He took the tickets in, you know, the $2 admission fees.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What did he sell during the daytime?
Mr. SENATOR. I think clothing in a store.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know what department store he worked for?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Or what store?
Mr. SENATOR. No. It was in one of the downtown stores there. I don’t
know which one it was.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I am going to pass over the front half of page 6 because
there is nothing written on there that appears to be a name, and I will
direct your attention to the back of page 6. Do you recognize any of
the names there?
Mr. SENATOR. I don’t know him, at the radio station.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Dick Gifford?
Mr. SENATOR. I don’t know him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recognize anything else on there?
Mr. SENATOR. What is this supposed to say?
Mr. GRIFFIN. S-c-h-r-o-l-l.
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now look at the front of page 7. Do you recognize any of
those names?
Mr. SENATOR. This particular Leonard I have mentioned to you before,
the booking agent. The thing is to read these things. Who can read them?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Let me help you, if I can.
Mr. SENATOR. What does the top one say?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Joe Roskydall.
Mr. SENATOR. Never heard of him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Dick Lenard you mentioned. E. J. Evans?
Mr. SENATOR. I don’t know. What is this?
Mr. GRIFFIN. W. E. Groveland?
Mr. SENATOR. I don’t know him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Stevens Park Beauty Salon?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Maisl Brothers?
Mr. SENATOR. Boy, I tell you, you do all right with them.
Mr. GRIFFIN. The back of page 7, I will read these off to you. Ed
McMulmore. Does that mean anything to you?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. McKinney?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. The front of page 8; Leonard Wood?
Mr. SENATOR. Don’t know him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Milton Thomas?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Clarence McInnis?
Mr. SENATOR. Don’t know him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. James Dotson?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. James T. Aycox?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Nothing on the back of page 8 or the front of page 9.
Page 9, the back is blank. Page 10 is blank on both sides. Page 11 is
a half sheet which is blank on both sides. Page 12 I won’t direct your
attention to because there are no names on there. The back of page
12, the only name that appears on here is Bill Remike. Does that mean
anything to you?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Here is the name, Bobby Patterson.
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. On page 13. I will turn over to the back of page 13. There
is the name, Tex Lacy, which we talked about before.
Mr. SENATOR. I have heard about that name, but I don’t know what
capacity Tex Lacy is.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, I said the back of page 13. Now on page 14, which is
about a third of a sheet of paper, there is the name Frank Fisher. Did
you know Frank Fisher?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who is Frank Fisher?
Mr. SENATOR. Frank Fisher was a trumpet player and the leader of his
band at one time.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Of a band?
Mr. SENATOR. In the Carousel.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And what else did he do besides performance as a musician?
Mr. SENATOR. That is all.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was he an interior decorator?
Mr. SENATOR. Not that I know of. If he was, that is news to me.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack talk to you or did you know in the week or so
before the President was shot whether Jack was considering opening up
any new night club?
Mr. SENATOR. He had talked about one. I have never seen it. But he was
talking about a location that he had mentioned on McKinney Avenue. I
think this was a house type place and, as far as I know, nothing ever
materialized or whatever it was going to be. This is the only thing I
knew about it. He never took me over there. I have never seen it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How was Jack going to finance it?
Mr. SENATOR. I don’t know. That I didn’t know. Possibly he may have
been looking for a partner. I don’t know, or how or what I don’t know.
You’ve got me there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I won’t mention the back of page 14 because there is
nothing there. Clark Boland, does that mean anything to you?
Mr. SENATOR. No; it seems that is a radio station there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Herman Flowers?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. K. Hamilton. That is the front of page 16.
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Mr. Miller, Collins Radio?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Cody City Hall; do you now anybody by that name?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Jimmie Rhodes, do you know him?
Mr. SENATOR. The name sounds like I heard of it, but I don’t know.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Mr. Wooldridge?
Mr. SENATOR. Never heard of him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Bob Litchfield?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Mrs. Moddy?
Mr. SENATOR. I don’t know that either.
Mr. GRIFFIN. On the back cover is written the name Newton.
Mr. SENATOR. The only name I know of a Newton would be John Newton of
the newspaper. If that is him or not, I don’t know, because this is a
telephone number, I assume, isn’t it, but there is no prefix to it.
Maybe this is it now. I don’t even know if that is him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When you went out to look at the Earl Warren sign,
“Impeach Earl Warren” sign, on Friday, or was it Saturday morning?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack write anything down?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You don’t recall?
Mr. SENATOR. I don’t remember. I didn’t see him write anything down. I
can’t quote if he did or didn’t, but I didn’t see him. I will put it
that way.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack have any newspapers in the car with him?
Mr. SENATOR. That day?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mr. SENATOR. I really don’t know. I just don’t refresh my mind if he
did have any newspapers.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you drive Jack’s car?
Mr. SENATOR. No; he drove it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I suggest now we probably ought to break to two-thirty.
(Whereupon, at 12:50 p.m. the proceeding recessed.)