Mr. SENATOR. You sure did.
Mr. HUBERT. Did I hear that right?
Mr. GRIFFIN. I did not catch it.
Mr. SENATOR. You sure did.
Mr. HUBERT. In any case, if I did hear that I was wrong about that?
Mr. SENATOR. You definitely were wrong. You definitely were wrong. I
don’t even remember this incident being said.
Mr. HUBERT. That is all right. I just wanted to get it clear, because
some people might misunderstand the phrase, and I would not want that
to be misunderstood if it were not true.
Mr. SENATOR. It definitely isn’t.
Mr. HUBERT. All right. So when you got there, what happened?
Mr. SENATOR. The place was mobbed, and, of course, I believe there were
a couple of police attendants by the elevator as we got off.
Mr. HUBERT. Where did you go, in fact?
Mr. SENATOR. Actually, I didn’t know where to go. We went upstairs.
Mr. HUBERT. What entrance, do you remember?
Mr. SENATOR. I don’t know. I guess the front entrance, we went up.
Mr. HUBERT. You went to the Chief of Police office, or what office?
Mr. SENATOR. I don’t know what office I was at.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know whom you reported to or whom you were with?
Mr. SENATOR. First we were mobbed. I told these people, these two
policemen, whoever they were I don’t know, I told them who I was.
Mr. HUBERT. Where were they stationed?
Mr. SENATOR. They were right by the elevator as you got off.
Mr. HUBERT. As you got off on one of the upper floors?
Mr. SENATOR. One of the floors. I don’t remember what floor it was on.
Mr. HUBERT. In other words, you were not mobbed, as you put it, or you
did not speak to anybody as you came into the building?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. HUBERT. On the ground floor?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. HUBERT. But as you got off, whatever floor it was, two policemen
stopped you; is that the idea?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes. I was with Jim Martin.
Mr. HUBERT. And when they stopped you, they asked your name I suppose?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And you told them?
Mr. SENATOR. Told them who I was. And then, you know, the place was
mobbed and there was a bunch, whoever these people were, reporters or
whatever, there were some of them there. They happened to overhear it,
and they mobbed me. They mobbed me.
Then eventually two great big policemen came over and one grabbed me on
one side of the arm, you know, they looked like giants to me, and one
on the other side and they took me into this room. Remember I told you
they put me into a little sort of solitary room.
Mr. HUBERT. That is on the same floor?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes. And I don’t remember how long. I mean I had no way
of knowing time that I was in there in this room there waiting for
somebody who was going to—they said to wait there, I don’t know. They
kept me in this room. Then somebody finally approached me. They wanted
a statement.
Mr. HUBERT. You got there, I suppose, about 20 or 30 minutes after
leaving Martin’s house?
Mr. SENATOR. I would say something like that, between 20 and 30 minutes.
Mr. HUBERT. And you were, almost immediately after getting off on one
of the upper floors of the building, mobbed by the press group and
taken by these two policemen?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And put into a room on the same floor?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And then was Mr. Martin with you?
Mr. SENATOR. He was with me, but he never, you know, when they took me
to this room they wouldn’t let him in.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he ask to go in or to remain with you?
Mr. SENATOR. He says “I’m his lawyer”; he was my lawyer. But we still
were separated.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he ask that he be allowed to remain with you?
Mr. SENATOR. He wanted to get in.
Mr. HUBERT. Can you remember whether he actually asked to get in with
you?
Mr. SENATOR. It seemed like he wanted to get in. I mean I don’t
remember the exact words that he said, because they wouldn’t let him
in, so apparently he was trying to get in too.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember whether you were placed under arrest?
Mr. SENATOR. No, never placed under arrest.
Mr. HUBERT. When you were escorted to this room and sat down, was the
door locked?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Were you told to remain there?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Were there any guards on the door?
Mr. SENATOR. Not to my knowledge. I don’t think so.
Mr. HUBERT. Were you handcuffed?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. HUBERT. And you say you don’t know how long you remained there?
Mr. SENATOR. I couldn’t tell. This was a little tiny room. It looked
like where they keep some inventory books—not books, probably paper
goods or something like that. It was a very small room.
Mr. HUBERT. Could you hear what was going on outside the room?
Mr. SENATOR. No, couldn’t hear a thing.
Mr. HUBERT. Did the room have any windows in it?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Was the light on?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes. It was very small. It was a very small room. As I
say, it must be a room like they keep paper goods, things of that
nature, or something like that in there.
Mr. HUBERT. Did the police search you or frisk you?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. HUBERT. They did not take anything away from you?
Mr. SENATOR. No. I wasn’t under arrest at all.
Mr. HUBERT. And what was the next thing that happened?
Mr. SENATOR. Well, finally, I don’t remember this man’s name, you
may have a note of it, I assume he was a detective. He was in plain
clothes. He questioned me.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he question you in that same room, or take you outside?
Mr. SENATOR. No, he questioned me in that room.
Mr. HUBERT. Just one man?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. You don’t remember his name?
Mr. SENATOR. No, I don’t.
Mr. HUBERT. Was he connected with the Federal Government or the State
government?
Mr. SENATOR. I assumed he was local.
Mr. HUBERT. Have you found out since who he was?
Mr. SENATOR. No, I didn’t. I think he must have been a detective of
some nature. I mean I don’t know what his classification was, because
all I know is, he was in plain clothes.
Mr. HUBERT. What was the nature of his inquiry?
Mr. SENATOR. It was, you know, what happened from the time of the
shooting up until the present time. That was the inquiry.
Mr. HUBERT. The time of the President’s shooting?