Mr. SENATOR. And I had seen him cry, because I guess who hasn’t you
know.
Mr. HUBERT. And what else?
Mr. SENATOR. And I had seen him cry, and he just got that funny look in
his eyes. I don’t know how to describe it. You call it a far-away look
or a look of something. I don’t now how to tear it down. But it wasn’t
a natural look.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you have that impression that morning or have you
reconstructed all this in your mind after all the events had happened?
Mr. SENATOR. About his looks?
Mr. HUBERT. Yes.
Mr. SENATOR. No; you could see it. After all, I have been around him
enough to know the difference.
Mr. HUBERT. You noticed the difference. And, of course, he shot Oswald.
Mr. SENATOR. What?
Mr. HUBERT. You noticed this difference, and you now have a
recollection of noticing that difference about the events of the next
day; is that right?
Let me show you what I mean. I want you to try to remember whether you
had a distinct impression, which you now recollect, on Saturday about
his worsening condition. Do you have that recollection now, Mr. Senator?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes; I could tell by facial expressions, facial look.
Mr. HUBERT. What I am getting at is whether or not in thinking over
this thing as you must have done, of course, that you reconstructed all
of this, and that your recollection is of the reconstruction rather
than of the fact itself. Do you understand what I mean?
Mr. SENATOR. No; I don’t know what you mean when you ask me if I am
reconstructing it.
Mr. HUBERT. What I mean is this. When after all this whole thing came
to a climax with the shooting of Oswald by Ruby, you must have put all
of your thoughts together concerning those last days, and as a matter
of fact you have been questioned a number of times by a number of
people.
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Including Government agents?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And including his lawyer. What I want to know is whether
what you are telling us now is a recollection of the reconstruction of
this whole period, or is it now a distinct recollection independent of
any reconstruction that you made in telling the story to anybody else.
Do you remember now, today, that on that Saturday morning you had the
feeling that man is getting worse on this subject?
Mr. SENATOR. That is the way he appeared to me.
Mr. HUBERT. And you remember that now, that that thought turned over in
your mind on Saturday morning.
Mr. SENATOR. Yes; I do.
Mr. HUBERT. Did it alarm you in any way?
Mr. SENATOR. I don’t know how to describe myself with it, but I know it
didn’t look good.
Mr. HUBERT. What was your fear?
Mr. SENATOR. I wasn’t fearing anything. I just didn’t like the way he
looked.
Mr. HUBERT. When you say it didn’t look good, in what way do you mean?
Mr. SENATOR. It didn’t look like the normal look as I have known him.
Mr. HUBERT. Was your concern, if not your fear, that he might go off
his normal method of thinking or that he would do himself harm? I mean
were you concerned or was it just simply an observation which you
passed on?
Mr. SENATOR. I am observing all this. You know I can tell. But I didn’t
know what to think. I didn’t know how to think.
Mr. HUBERT. I think you have already said that you didn’t have any
fears of anything.
Mr. SENATOR. No; I wasn’t afraid of him.
Mr. HUBERT. No; but I mean were you concerned that something might
happen to him, that he might do something?
Mr. SENATOR. No; not particularly; no.