Mr. HUBERT. Palace?
Mr. SENATOR. There is a bunch of apartments there.
Mr. HUBERT. Marsalla South?
Mr. SENATOR. It may have been Marsalla South.
Mr. HUBERT. There is actually a Marsalis Street; is there not?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes; but there is an apartment, a few begin with Marsalla,
Marsalla Apartments or Marsalla South. This one here was on Marsalla on
the street.
Mr. HUBERT. It was on Marsalis Street?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. How long did you live with Jack then?
Mr. SENATOR. At that time I stayed, I lived with him approximately 5 to
6 months; something like that.
Mr. HUBERT. Anybody else live there with you?
Mr. SENATOR. No; just Jack and myself.
Mr. HUBERT. What was the occasion for your leaving him?
Mr. SENATOR. I left him because I had a chance to go into the postcard
business.
Mr. HUBERT. How does that relate to leaving Jack? You still lived in
Dallas; did you not?
Mr. SENATOR. Oh, sure. I never left Dallas.
Mr. HUBERT. Where did you live after you left Ruby?
Mr. SENATOR. After I left who?
Mr. HUBERT. Ruby. Now, incidentally, I judge from the dates that that
would have been around in September.
Mr. SENATOR. August.
Mr. HUBERT. August of 1962?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes; August.
Mr. HUBERT. Where did you go then?
Mr. SENATOR. I moved in with a fellow whose name was Stan Corbat.
Mr. HUBERT. And where was that apartment?
Mr. SENATOR. That was on Maple Avenue.
Mr. HUBERT. You say that the reason why you moved from Jack’s was
because you got a chance to be a salesman in the postcard business?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. How does that relate, how does your getting this employment
relate to your moving from Jack’s apartment?
Mr. SENATOR. Jack likes to live alone in the overall picture. First of
all, it is an interference of the time that I wake up and the time that
he goes to bed which don’t coincide. That is part. And then Jack don’t
live too clean. I mean he is a type—in other words, he comes home, he
is reading a newspaper, on the floor, if he is in the bathroom the
newspaper goes on the floor and things of that nature. Though he was
very clean about himself, he wasn’t clean around the apartment.
Mr. HUBERT. I judge from what you tell me then that your real reasons
for moving were those that you just mentioned rather than the fact that
you got employment selling postcards? Is that correct?
Mr. SENATOR. Why I moved?
Mr. HUBERT. Yes.
Mr. SENATOR. Please run that back again.
Mr. HUBERT. I say I judge from what you have said that the real
reason for your moving from the apartment with Jack in 1962 was your
dissatisfaction with the living conditions rather than that you got a
job selling postcards?
Mr. SENATOR. No; not necessarily. I mean that is part of it. That is
not necessarily it; no.
Mr. HUBERT. How does the postcard job, selling postcards, contribute or
how did it contribute to the fact that you had to move from Jack?
Mr. SENATOR. Oh, I didn’t have to. I didn’t have to; but this way here
I started to get self-sustaining a little bit.
Mr. HUBERT. Oh, I see. So you had a steady job?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes; see, the other way, when I was living with Jack, of
course, I was helping him at the club. I was helping him at the club,
and, of course, I abided by everything he said and did.
Mr. HUBERT. So the reasons for moving then, were a combination of
factors. One, that you were dissatisfied generally with the living
conditions as you have indicated?
Mr. SENATOR. That is only partially it. I had a chance to go out.
Mr. HUBERT. And you were financially better off and you had a chance to
go with Corbat, and you did?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And how long did you stay with Corbat?
Mr. SENATOR. When I went in with Corbat, of course, he only had a
one-bedroom apartment and I had to sleep on the couch again. I slept
on so many couches lately. So I told Stan, I told this friend of mine,
Corbat, when we were staying on Maple Avenue, that just as soon as I
get a little extra money I want to get a two-bedroom apartment and that
is where I moved into this last apartment, 225 South Ewing.
Mr. HUBERT. That was about when?
Mr. SENATOR. I moved in there, I believe it was the latter part of
November of 1962, we found a nice two-bedroom apartment that was very
reasonable. I told Jack about it and Jack moved next door.
Mr. HUBERT. But he moved later than you, didn’t he?
Mr. SENATOR. Well, see, I moved in first.
Mr. HUBERT. With Corbat?
Mr. SENATOR. No. Yes; first I went in alone, no furniture or nothing. I
moved in alone and I was there approximately about a week or something
like that, and Corbat stayed over at the other place because he wanted
to finish the balance of the month out. He wanted his last days in
there, you know, for we paid for the rent, and then he moved in right
after that.
Mr. HUBERT. He moved in with you?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And that was in November of 1962?
Mr. SENATOR. I believe it was the latter part of November of 1962.
Mr. HUBERT. When did Ruby move in?
Mr. SENATOR. He moved in around that same time.
Mr. HUBERT. But after you?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes; I would probably say within the week I would probably
say, something like that, within that week.
Mr. HUBERT. And then you stayed there until when?
Mr. SENATOR. The unfateful day.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t live with Corbat all that while?
Mr. SENATOR. No; I lived with Corbat from the time we moved in there
until August.
Mr. HUBERT. Of 1963?