Mr. PAUL. I had to give him the note—he couldn’t sell it without the
note.
Mr. HUBERT. Was the note secured in any way?
Mr. PAUL. No; it was registered.
Mr. HUBERT. A registered note, which made it a lien against the Silver
Spur?
Mr. PAUL. That’s right.
Mr. HUBERT. So that if he was going to sell it to anybody he had
to clear the note, he had to get some sort of cancellation as to
registration and that required the note?
Mr. PAUL. I gave him the note.
Mr. HUBERT. And you gave him the note for $1,000.
Mr. PAUL. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. That left $2,700 still owing?
Mr. PAUL. Not exactly $2,700—he paid me in little sums like 50 or 100—I
think it left about $2,200.
Mr. HUBERT. At that time?
Mr. PAUL. At that time.
Mr. HUBERT. And, of course, you had no more note?
Mr. PAUL. Yes; but when I helped him at the club, he gave me $50 or $25
or anything he could get ahold of to give me, so that eventually the
note went down to $1,200, and that’s what it remained on that deal.
Mr. HUBERT. In other words, from August 1957 to May 1958, you helped
out at the Vegas, which he was then operating?
Mr. PAUL. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. The Silver Spur had gone?
Mr. PAUL. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And then the indebtedness got reduced to about $1,200 you
think as of May 1958?
Mr. PAUL. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Is there any further story to that note, or is that money
still owing?
Mr. PAUL. That money is still owing.
Mr. HUBERT. That has never been paid?
Mr. PAUL. No.
Mr. HUBERT. And you have no note for it?
Mr. PAUL. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, after May 1958, what did you do?
Mr. PAUL. I bought into the Bull Pen.
Mr. HUBERT. And that was with Semos?
Mr. PAUL. No, no; that was with Bowman.
Mr. HUBERT. With Bowman?
Mr. PAUL. Bowman had a partner, and he got a notice from the building
department—what is it, VA or something like that—they wanted him—as an
examiner, so he sold out to me.
Mr. HUBERT. In other words, originally you and Bowman were in as a
partnership alone, or was it a corporation when it started?
Mr. PAUL. No, no; when I bought this man out it was a stepfather
then—when I bought him out—Bowman and I were partners—50-50 partners.
Then we made it a corporation.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember the year of the incorporation?
Mr. PAUL. I think it was 1960.
Mr. HUBERT. 1960, but you had operated prior to that as a 50-50
partnership with Bowman?
Mr. PAUL. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Then, you became a corporation and when did you buy out
Bowman completely so that you are now full owner?
Mr. PAUL. January 1, 1963.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, after you left this association with Ruby in May of
1958, did you have any further business or social relationship with him?
Mr. PAUL. Yes; we were friends.
Mr. HUBERT. You had been friends actually for that time almost 10
years, hadn’t you?
Mr. PAUL. Yes; we were friends from the time he loaned the money from
me, let’s put it that way. We had to be friends.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see him quite often?
Mr. PAUL. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. How did that come about?
Mr. PAUL. Well, the nights I had off, you see, we used to work 1 day
and 1 night with my partners. If I worked nights, the next day he
worked nights, so we swung it around, so the nights I had off, either
I would go to the Vegas Club—at that time he had the Vegas Club alone,
and after that we would go out to eat.
Mr. HUBERT. Was his sister, Eva Grant, with the Vegas at that time? At
the very beginning?
Mr. PAUL. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. When did she come in, do you know?
Mr. PAUL. When he opened up—not the Carousel, but the first one—which
one was that?
Mr. HUBERT. The Sovereign Club?
Mr. PAUL. The Sovereign Club.
Mr. HUBERT. What year was that—about?
Mr. PAUL. 1959 or 1960—I think it was 1959.
Mr. HUBERT. Had you known her before?
Mr. PAUL. Just a casual acquaintance, you know, I mean—I must have seen
her once or twice.
Mr. HUBERT. She didn’t live in Dallas?
Mr. PAUL. No; I think she was out on the road some place selling
merchandise.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you have any further business relations with Sam Ruby?
Mr. PAUL. No; just that ice cream place.
Mr. HUBERT. That’s all you ever had with him?
Mr. PAUL. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Then, did you ever have any financial interest in the Vegas?
Mr. PAUL. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. You don’t now and never have had any?
Mr. PAUL. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you have any, or have you ever had any financial
interest in the Sovereign Club?
Mr. PAUL. Actually—no—not interest at that time, but when I loaned
him money on the Sovereign Club, that was after he went out with his
partner. He and his partner couldn’t get along—Slayton.
Mr. HUBERT. That was Joe Slayton?
Mr. PAUL. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. They had started the Sovereign Club and they couldn’t get
along and Jack needed some money?
Mr. PAUL. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. You loaned him some money, then, did you?
Mr. PAUL. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. How much?
Mr. PAUL. Well, I think I loaned him for 3 months’ rent or 4 months’
rent—$550 a month, because that was the time he couldn’t pay the rent.
Mr. HUBERT. You loaned that in cash?
Mr. PAUL. No; I give him a check—not in cash.
Mr. HUBERT. You gave him a check?
Mr. PAUL. A check—I gave him a check.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he give you any evidence of indebtedness?
Mr. PAUL. No; the following year he gave me 50 percent of the club,
telling me that if the thing don’t go, the fixtures and everything
should represent my money.
Mr. HUBERT. You had no note about it?
Mr. PAUL. No; he gave it to me—I knew about it.
Mr. HUBERT. No; but did he give you a note?
Mr. PAUL. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Was there any kind of written agreement?
Mr. PAUL. It was a stock receipt.
Mr. HUBERT. That was a corporation?
Mr. PAUL. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And he gave you a stock certificate?
Mr. PAUL. That’s right.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember how many shares it was for?
Mr. PAUL. Five hundred.
Mr. HUBERT. Was that half of the corporation?
Mr. PAUL. Half of the place.
Mr. HUBERT. And he endorsed that over to you?
Mr. PAUL. Yes, yes; I think he did—he and Slayton—I think did.
Mr. HUBERT. And what was the consideration, that is to say, what money
did you pay for that?