Mrs. NICHOLS. The first part of September.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What makes you remember it as that?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, it seemed to me like it was around Labor Day, as I
recall.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall how long Jack stayed in Havana?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Not exactly; but I would say he was there from a week to
10 days.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he tell you why he went to Havana?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I thought it was a pleasure trip.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you see him off at the airport?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he tell you who he was going to visit in Havana?
Mrs. NICHOLS. The only person he told me he was going to see in Havana
was a man by the name of McWillie. I don’t know if Mr. Mac was his
first name or whether McWillie was his last name.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Had you ever met McWillie?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I had.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When had you met him?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I had seen him a few times. Jack had introduced me to
him. I had seen him in the Vegas Club a few times.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack indicate to you what McWillie was doing in Havana?
Mrs. NICHOLS. He was managing the Tropicana Night Club, so I understood.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now is this something that you actually remember yourself,
or something you know from having read about these things in the
newspaper?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No; I remember him telling me that he was at the
Tropicana.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack indicate whether he had any business interests
with McWillie?
Mrs. NICHOLS. He didn’t indicate that he had any business interests.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack ever talk to you at any other time about Cuba or
any interests he might have in Cuba?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you feel that Jack talked to you about all of his
enterprises; business activities?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, I knew of nothing that he didn’t discuss with me. I
don’t know of any activities that he didn’t discuss.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, did you feel Jack was the kind of person who might
do things that he wouldn’t discuss with people?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Discuss with people?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes; with other people who weren’t involved in that
particular activity?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t know. He always talked freely to me, I thought. I
never did feel that he—Jack was a big talker. He talks a lot; quite an
extrovert.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How did you happen to break up with Jack?
Mrs. NICHOLS. It was a gradual thing. We had no quarrel. We just quit.
He quit calling me. We just quit going together.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now you indicated that Jack returned to Chicago from time
to time?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When was that?
Mrs. NICHOLS. That was about August 1952.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How do you place it in August?
Mrs. NICHOLS. As I recall, he lost Bob Wills Ranch House about April or
May 1952, and he stayed here several months, and it was around August,
I believe, when he returned to Chicago. And he stayed about 6 weeks.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When you say he lost it, did he go into bankruptcy? Go
through some court proceedings or just sell it to somebody at a loss?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t know whether he took bankruptcy or not. I don’t
remember. I don’t think he got anything. I don’t believe he sold it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was he forced out of it by anybody?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I was under the impression that he just didn’t have the
money to continue operating. He just had to leave it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What kind of place was this Ranch House?
Mrs. NICHOLS. It was a western type.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Restaurant?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No; nightclub.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Striptease shows?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When did Jack first go into the striptease business?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, I was not going with Jack when he got into the
striptease business.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was the Silver Spur a strip joint?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about the Vegas Club?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I believe he did for a time have a strip, a few girls
doing the strip at the Silver Spur, but that was a very short time.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was this while you were dating him?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes; but not—that was just for a few months. Maybe not
even that long.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How did he happen to start to employ them there?
Mrs. NICHOLS. How did he what?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Why did he start to employ them there?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, his business was bad and he was just trying to find
some way to build his business up.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he have entertainment at the Ranch House, Bob Wills
Ranch House?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Have floor shows?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t believe he ever had a floor show. I never did see
a floor show there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he have a band?
Mrs. NICHOLS. He had a band.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And he sold liquor?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes; well, they sold beer and set-ups.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where was that located?
Mrs. NICHOLS. That was on Corinth and Industrial.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did he operate that?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I can’t remember just when he started that. It wasn’t but
a few months. Probably, I would say about 6 months.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was the Silver Spur in operation when the Ranch House was
going?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, when he sold the Ranch House, what did he do with
the Silver Spur?
Mrs. NICHOLS. He continued to operate both of them. Wait, I beg your
pardon. When he sold which one?
Mr. GRIFFIN. The Ranch House?
Mrs. NICHOLS. When he sold the Ranch House?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Then what happened to the Silver Spur?
Mrs. NICHOLS. He still had the Silver Spur when he sold the Ranch
House, but he sold the Silver Spur.
Mr. GRIFFIN. After he sold the Ranch House?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. To whom did he sell the Silver Spur?
Mrs. NICHOLS. A man by the name of Martin Gimbel or Gimpel.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long after he sold the Ranch House did he sell the
Silver Spur?
Mrs. NICHOLS. It was very soon. I would say within—doesn’t seem to me
like it—seems like it was about a month after he sold the Ranch House.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you know—had you met Martin Gimpel?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long had you known Martin Gimpel before he bought the
Silver Spur?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, I met Martin Gimpel soon after I met Jack.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was Martin living in Dallas at that time?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes; he was.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did Martin continue to live in Dallas?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t recall how long. I don’t recall how long he lived
in Dallas. Several years.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was Martin married?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Not that I know of. I really don’t know whether he was
married.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What kind of man was Mr. Gimpel?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, I didn’t know him too well. I talked to him a few
times, but he seemed very nice to me.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know how he earned his living before he bought the
Silver Spur?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No; I know that before, he had punchboards for a while,
before it became illegal in Texas, and that is the only business that
I know of that he had. I was under the impression that he had a little
money, that he had saved a little money.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack ever sell punchboards in Texas?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Not that I know of.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now I think you indicated to the FBI that Gimpel is dead?
Mrs. NICHOLS. That is what I heard.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When did you hear that he died?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t remember. Jack Ruby called me and told me that he
had died, but I don’t know how long ago that was.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he die here in Dallas?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No. I believe he said he died in Oklahoma.
Mr. GRIFFIN. As you have had a chance to sit here, Mrs. Nichols, do you
recall any better as to when it was that Gimpel died?
Mrs. NICHOLS. It is since I started going with Jack Ruby, and it was
several years ago.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you still going with Jack Ruby at the time he died?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No; I was not.
Mr. GRIFFIN. While you were dating Jack Ruby, how often did Jack see
Mr. Gimpel?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, he was usually, he helped Jack around the
nightclub, the Silver Spur and the Vegas Club, and I used to see him
when we would go in there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What sort of help would he give?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, he just would sort of manage it, see that
everything was going all right. I think I had seen him use the cash
register. Just anything that was needed to be done around there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, did Jack pay him for what he did?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t know.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I believe you mentioned in your interview with the FBI
that Jack was friendly with a man named Rocky Robinson. Do you remember
that name?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I never did see Rocky Robinson but about twice, and then
it was when we would be some place and he would be; we would run into
him. I never did see him with Jack.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I think you indicated to the Bureau that you thought that
Jack sold the Silver Spur to Rocky Robinson?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now you have also testified that you thought he sold the
Silver Spur to Martin Gimpel?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, now, he sold the Silver Spur to Martin Gimpel
first, right after he sold or right after he lost the Bob Wills Ranch
House. He sold the Silver Spur to Martin Gimpel, and he went back to
Chicago and stayed 6 weeks, and then he came back and took over the
Silver Spur again from Martin Gimpel, and then it was later on he sold
the club to Rocky Robinson.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. Why did Jack come back from Chicago?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, he told me that he liked Dallas. He wanted to stay
here.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, I presume when he left, did he intend to stay in
Chicago permanently?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I think that he did plan to stay in Chicago permanently
when he left.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What happened in Chicago that made him change his mind
after he had been there for 6 weeks?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I thought it was because Martin Gimpel didn’t want to run
the Silver Spur and Jack had a chance to buy it back, and he came back.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What makes you think that Jack actually sold the Silver
Spur to Martin Gimpel?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, he told me that he did. I don’t know what the
consideration was. He didn’t tell me how much.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is Rocky Robinson still in town?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t know.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Had Rocky been a friend of Jack’s before he sold the
Silver Spur to Mr. Robinson?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Not that I know of.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he become a friend of Jack’s after Jack sold the
Silver Spur to Rocky Robinson?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Not that I know of. I never did see Rocky Robinson but on
about two occasions.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now I believe you told the FBI that you had met Jack’s
father?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I did.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where did you meet Mr. Rubinstein?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Where?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mrs. NICHOLS. Jack picked me up after I left the office and took me by
to meet his father one evening. That was the only time I ever saw his
father.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How did the father happen to be in Dallas?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, he and one of Jack’s sisters were visiting Jack.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When Jack sold the Silver Spur, did he also at the time he
sold the Silver Spur to Rocky Robinson, own the Vegas Club?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. In late 1958 and on up to the time you stopped seeing him
in 1959 or 1960, did Jack own the Vegas Club?
Did Jack own any club in addition to the Vegas Club during this 1-year
period prior to the time you stopped seeing Jack? Did he operate any
clubs besides the Vegas Club in that year?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. In that year before you stopped seeing him, did Jack ever
discuss selling the Vegas Club?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t remember him ever discussing selling the Vegas
Club.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was it your understanding that Jack was making a profit
off the Vegas Club?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I suppose during the time that you were dating Jack, you
met most of his friends?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Jack introduced me to a lot of people while I was going
with him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you meet a man by the name of Dewey Groom?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes; I knew him slightly. I met him. He was a bandleader
at Jack’s Silver Spur for a while.
Mr. GRIFFIN. After Jack closed the Silver Spur, did Jack continue to
see him?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I never did see him after that. I don’t know whether Jack
did or not. Jack did see most of the nightclubs; he went around to most
of the clubs and he probably did see Dewey Groom.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you know Ralph Paul?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I did.
Mr. GRIFFIN. To your knowledge, when did Jack first become friendly
with Ralph Paul?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, I don’t remember. Let’s see; I don’t remember
whether—I just can’t remember exactly when I first knew Ralph Paul.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was he friendly with Ralph Paul when you first started
dating Jack?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No; I believe I went with him for several years before
I ever heard of Ralph Paul or met him. I just don’t remember when I
met Ralph Paul. I was trying to think whether I remembered him before
Jack went back to Chicago. I believe I met him before he went back to
Chicago in 1952.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he have any business connections with Jack at that
time?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Jack had mentioned that Ralph Paul had loaned him money.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When was it, as you understand it, that Ralph first loaned
Jack money?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t remember exactly.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Mr. Paul ever have an interest in the Vegas Club?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes; he had mentioned Gordon McLendon to me.
Mr. GRIFFIN. While you were dating Jack, how often did Jack contact Mr.
Paul?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, I don’t know how often he contacted him. I would
see him around the club quite frequently.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you say that Mr. Paul, during the period you were
dating Jack, was one of the more frequent visitors to the Vegas Club?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Other than the lending of money by Paul to Jack, do you
know of any other business relationship that Ralph Paul and Jack Ruby
had with each other?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. While you were dating Jack, did you know George Senator?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No; I never did know him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know if Jack Ruby was a friend of Gordon McLendon?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes; he mentioned Gordon McLendon to me.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When did you first hear Jack mention Gordon McLendon?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t remember. I would say several years before we
quit going together, before 1959, maybe 3 or 4 years. I can’t remember
when he first mentioned him to me.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What did Jack indicate to you about his acquaintanceship
with Mr. McLendon?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, I think that he mentioned that Gordon McLendon had
given him some advertising time on his radio station.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you understand it was free advertising time?
Mrs. NICHOLS. He didn’t say whether it was. I don’t recall him saying
whether he paid for it or not.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he know McLendon any way other than a business way?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t know whether he went out with him socially or not.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Mr. McLendon ever visit the Vegas Club?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I never did see him in there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now did Jack ever mention the name of a man Stanley
Kaufman?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack know Mr. Kaufman when you began dating him?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t believe he did. I never did hear him mention him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What was the nature of Jack’s acquaintanceship with Mr.
Kaufman?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, he was Jack’s lawyer.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was Jack a social friend of his?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t know. Well, I don’t know whether he ever went to
his home or not.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Mr. Kaufman visit the Vegas Club from time to time?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t remember ever seeing him in the Vegas Club.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Tom Howard? Did Jack ever mention Tom Howard as
an acquaintance?
Mrs. NICHOLS. He had mentioned Tom Howard, but I had never seen—as far
as I know, they were not friends. I never did see them together.
I never did see Tom Howard in the club. But I have worked for Tom
Howard when I first started working for attorneys, and I knew that I
had known Tom Howard because I worked for him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When did you work for Mr. Howard?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Right after I got my divorce in 1947, for a short time.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Then before you went to work for your present employer?
Mrs. NICHOLS. That’s right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You have been employed continuously with your present
employer?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Since; yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did you work for Mr. Howard?
Mrs. NICHOLS. About 6 months.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack ever mention Ed Pullman?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Who?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Ed Pullman?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t remember that name.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he ever mention the name of Frank Fisher?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he ever mention the name of Alex Gruber?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Lawrence Meyers?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t know.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Mike Shore?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Buddy Heard?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, during the time that you were dating Jack, other
than the band that he would hire for his club, did Jack have business
contacts with the entertainment world?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Business contacts?
Mr. GRIFFIN. With the entertainment world?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t know whether I understand. You mean personal,
individual, or bands?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes; was it a regular practice of his to hire entertainers
other than the band to play at the Vegas Club? Singers and comedians or
dancers?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No; he didn’t hire any. He had a little colored boy one
time who used to put on a floor show out at the Vegas Club.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was that Little Daddy Nelson?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is that the only entertainer that you knew of that Jack
was connected with while you knew him?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now I believe you indicated to the FBI that Mr. Ruby was
very attached to his mother.
Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, he was devoted to his mother. He told me how—he had
remarked how much her death had hurt him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you able to tell whether he was more or less devoted
to his mother than to his father?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No. He seemed to be devoted to his father, too. He seemed
to be quite interested in his father’s welfare.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he ever mention to you in connection with his mother
that his mother had been a source of many problems to the family?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, he had mentioned that she had been in an
institution; that she had a mental breakdown.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What was Jack’s attitude about that?
Mrs. NICHOLS. He didn’t say much about it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he have any hostility toward her on account of it?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No; he didn’t.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack ever tell you how he happened to change his name
from Rubenstein to Ruby?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No. He had already changed his name when I first knew
him, and he never did tell me how he happened to do it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know that Jack had been associated with his brother
Earl and his brother Sam in a business in Chicago?
Mrs. NICHOLS. He told me that he had.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he ever tell you how he happened to leave that
business and come to Dallas?
Mrs. NICHOLS. He told me that he came down here because his sister had
a nightclub here and she was having difficulty because business was
not going. He came down here to see if he couldn’t help her with the
nightclub business.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he ever indicate anything about his relationship with
Sam and Earl in Earl Products?
Mrs. NICHOLS. He was a partner, I understood, in that.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he ever indicate that he was dissatisfied in any way
with that?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No; he didn’t.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he talk to you about how close he was or friendly he
was with his brothers?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, I got the impression that he was close to his
brothers, his whole family. He seemed to be close to the whole family.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What gave you that impression?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, he was very upset when his brothers Earl and Sam
broke up their partnership, and he went up there to try to help settle
their differences, and he just—I always got the impression that he was
close to his family.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now you mentioned a man by the name of Ned Weisbrod.
Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. As a person whom you thought was friendly with Jack, close
to him in one way or another. When did you first meet Mr. Weisbrod?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I believe that I met him soon after I met Jack. I would
say probably in 1950.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did they continue, Weisbrod, to be friendly with
Jack?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I had not seen him in—when I first knew Jack, he had the
Silver Spur, and I used to see Ned in there.
And after he took over the Vegas, I used to see him out there until
about—I think it was about the last 2 or 3 years I had not seen Ned in
there. And the same thing with this Sam; that they used to be together
a lot.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Sam Lassen?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes. I had not seen either one of them in the Vegas Club
for, I would say, 2 years anyway before 1959, when we stopped going
together.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack ever indicate why they stopped coming around?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was there any sort of quarrel that Jack had with them?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Not that I know of.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack seem to have any business relationship with
Weisbrod and Lassen?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were Weisbrod and Lassen more friendly with Jack than
Ralph Paul? Did you see them around more often than you saw Ralph Paul?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t believe so.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now you also mention Adrian High as a person who was
friendly with Jack. And I believe, if my understanding is correct, that
High, Weisbrod, Lassen, and Ruby were sort of mutual friends?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t know whether Adrian was a friend of Ned and Sam
or not. I have not seen Adrian High in, oh, since about, I would say
about 1956. I had not seen him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know if Weisbrod and Lassen are still in Dallas?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t know.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When was the last that you knew they were in Dallas?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I haven’t seen them since—the only place I ever saw them
was at the Vegas Club, and it’s been several years before I quit going
with Jack that I had seen them in there. At least 2 years.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was Jack the kind of person that, if he had problems with
somebody or a dispute with somebody, that he would continue to talk
about it for some time after it occurred?
Mrs. NICHOLS. He didn’t talk to me about it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You know some people, when they have a problem, they just
have to talk and talk about it until it seems to get out of their
system. Did Jack seem to be that kind of a person?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No; he didn’t talk to me about it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you ever see Jack getting into any fights with
anybody?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ever see him hit anybody?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I never did see him hit anyone. I know that he had had
trouble in the club. I would hear about it. But I never did see him. I
have seen him put people out of the club.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you hear of his fighting with somebody socially, in a
social quarrel?
Mrs. NICHOLS. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. The only time you know of his fighting or hitting somebody
was in connection with his acting as a bouncer for the club?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I never did see him, but I heard of it. I know that he
had a finger—he was putting a man out of his club and a man bit his
finger and he had to have it amputated, but I was not there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When you dated Jack, how much money was he accustomed to
carrying with him?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t know. I never did ask him and he never did tell
me.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ever see Jack carry a gun with him?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I have seen him with a gun when he would have his
moneybag for deposit.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What is his practice? You have seen him take money out of
the club?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now what was his practice? Would he have the gun at the
club, or where would he keep the gun?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t know whether he had it at the club or whether he
carried it in his pocket.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ever see him carry it in his pocket?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I never did ask him if he had a gun in his pocket, and
he never did tell me. I never did see him take it out of his pocket.
When we would go by the club, he would pick up the money and I would be
sitting at a table, and I don’t know when he got the gun, whether he
got it out of his pocket or whether he kept it at the club.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where would you see the gun; on the table or where?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, I just saw it with the moneybag, and we would walk
out to the car.
Mr. GRIFFIN. He would carry it in his moneybag?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, I don’t remember ever seeing it in the moneybag,
but he used to put it on the seat with the moneybag.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would he ever lock the money up in the trunk of his car?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I never did see him do that.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now what did he use to do with his money after he took it
out of the club?
Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, I thought he put it in a night depository. He would
take me home first, and I don’t know.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You also indicated to the FBI that Jack was a gambler,
liked to gamble?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I never did see him gamble, but he told me that
he—several times that he had gone back to the Artists Club and played
cards after he took me home. I never did see Jack gamble. He never
talked to me about that.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know who the owner was of the Artists Club?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t know who owned it. A man by the name of Harris
was managing it. I think it was a musicians’ union.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What kind of gambling would they have at the Artists Club?
Mrs. NICHOLS. I never did see them gambling there, but I imagine it was
cards, I don’t know.