Mr. GRIFFIN. Introduce yourself?
Mr. CRAFARD. Introduce myself and tell them that I was promoting a
twist board exerciser and tell them a little bit about the exerciser
and that we would like to arrange a deal where we could put this
exerciser in their salon, put it for sale in their salons.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And did you make any placements?
Mr. CRAFARD. No sir. Excuse me, but this one here was 2140 Fort Worth
Avenue in Dallas, Tex.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That would be in Dallas.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. The phone number would be WH 6-9755. Underneath that
is mail brochure. I believe we were supposed to mail a brochure to them.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Are you sure that is mail brochure and not Maisel Brothers.
Mr. CRAFARD. No, I am positive that is mail brochure, almost positive
of that.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And what were you supposed to do?
Mr. CRAFARD. Mail a brochure to this Stevens Park Beauty Salon.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack have brochures printed up?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long after you started to work for him did he have
these brochures? When did he first have them?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it was about 2 weeks before President Kennedy
was assassinated he got them. He hadn’t got them very long.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Can you describe the brochures? How many pages were they?
Mr. CRAFARD. One page. It was a sheet, I believe it was 7½ inches long
and I believe it was about 5½ inches wide.
It said “Twist a waist exerciser,” and then it showed an exerciser
board. Then I believe it showed a couple of the different positions of
a person on an exerciser board. I am not positive of that.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How big were these twist boards?
Mr. CRAFARD. They were about an 8-inch square.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What were they made out of?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it was a 1½-inch pressed board.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That would be wood of some sort.
Mr. CRAFARD. Pressed wood.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is that a fiberboard?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. It is not a plastic though?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe these boards were made out of sort of a plastic
glue in the press board. Then underneath that would be a ball-bearing
disk, sort of a twist setup with a small piece of masonite attached to
the bottom of that. The board would twist on the ball bearings.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And would you lie on the floor on this thing?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; you would stand on it and twist.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who designed this item?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t know who originally designed the item.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you get the impression that Jack had designed it
himself?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t really know, sir. I never got any idea of who had
designed it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now the brochure, did it have a picture of the twist board
on it?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; I believe so. I am not positive of that.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That concludes page 7, doesn’t it.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. The front part of page 7.
Now turning to the back of page 7, there are some entries in pencil,
are those all in your handwriting?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now what is the first entry?
Mr. CRAFARD. Ed McMulmore it looks like. It is probably spelled wrong.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember that name?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir. I don’t.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And then there is two telephone numbers written after that.
Mr. CRAFARD. There is the word “Johnnie call Detroit.”
Mr. GRIFFIN. But there are two telephone numbers.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And then the note “Johnnie call Detroit Helene.” What does
that have to do with—?
Mr. CRAFARD. Johnnie was the first name of one of the MC’s Jack had
working for him. I don’t recall the last name. He got a call to call
Detroit, to call Helene in Detroit. Apparently he had the number
because that is all I got. I was told to have him call Helene in
Detroit.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know who Helene was?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir. I thought it was possibly his wife.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Then there are three blank lines.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And a number written upside down. What number is that?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is RI 6-6807.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recognize that number?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; I don’t. I don’t believe that is my handwriting. It
doesn’t appear to be. For one thing for the fact that it is wrote with
the page turned upside down, for one thing, and the numbers aren’t
shaped like any numbers are shaped.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is it possible, referring to the top of the page, that
this entry which looks like Ed McMulmore is really Ed Mc, and then
Mulmore?
Mr. CRAFARD. It could be; yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would that mean anything to you reading it that way?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now written on the right side up on the back of page 7
after the entry RI 6-6807, there is another entry. What is that?
Mr. CRAFARD. CEN, which would be I believe the abbreviation for
Central, and EX, which I believe would be the abbreviation for
Expressway, dash 5400.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What does that have to do with?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t think anything. I believe that is my writing. Let
me see.
Mr. GRIFFIN. It is or is not?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it is. Wait a minute, Jack was going somewhere
or somebody else was going for him and he was having trouble, didn’t
know how to get there. Somebody was going somewhere and they didn’t
know how to get there and I was talking to the people they was going
to see and they told me to have him turn at Central Expressway 5400 on
McKinney to 2500.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Those are directions to get to some place?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; McKinney, but I don’t remember where.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And were they directions for you or for Jack?
Mr. CRAFARD. For somebody else. I don’t recall who it was for.
Mr. GRIFFIN. For a friend of Jack’s?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall. I give the directions to somebody else but
I don’t recall who it was.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now is it your understanding then that you would drive out
Central Expressway to the 5400 block?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And then at the 5400 block you would find McKinney?
Mr. CRAFARD. Make a right-hand turn I believe on McKinney, the 2500
block.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What makes you think you make a right-hand turn?
Mr. CRAFARD. I remember something about the conversation. I am trying
to remember. I can’t remember too much of it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was that a conversation you had with somebody on the
telephone?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it was. I am not positive. I would not swear
to it but I believe it was over the telephone that I was given these
directions.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And you were to pass the directions on to somebody else?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What part of Dallas would that be in, following those
directions?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it would be the southern portion of Dallas, I
am not sure. It seems to me 5400 on Central would be the other end of
Dallas, the southern end.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That concludes the back part of page 7. Now on page 8
there are some entries. Whose entries are those?
Mr. CRAFARD. These are my entries.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right, the first one has to do with somebody named
Lenard Woods.
Mr. CRAFARD. Lenard Woods, his social security number, his address,
3420 Medow, Apt. No. 235. These gentlemen on this page are all members
of the band that played at the Vegas Club, and it would be Milton
Thomas, his social security number, with the address 2220 Anderson,
the phone number HA 1-1026; Clarence McInnis, social security number,
the address 2607 Oakland, no phone number; James Dotson, the social
security number, the address 1136 Fletcher, his phone number RI 7-7436;
the name James T. Aycox, his social security number, 2715 Hebornia;
I believe it is with a notation under that that he also was known as
Bear; they called him the Bear. His phone number was HA 1-1026.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How did you happen to come to put all of those notations
in there?
Mr. CRAFARD. Jack’s sister took sick. He had me get the names and the
addresses of the boys. I had understood him to say he wanted it for tax
purposes and I got the social security numbers too, so he could get in
touch with them for one thing when he did want to get in touch with
them and also for he said tax purposes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you see these men at the Vegas Club and get the
information there or did you call them?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe I got these from, it was either Jack’s sister or
Pauline. I am not sure.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That concludes the front side of page 8.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. On the back of page 8 there are some entries. What are
those entries?
Mr. CRAFARD. The numbers, the phone number WH 3-9783. That doesn’t mean
anything to me whatsoever. The phone number TA 7-9088. I can’t make out
what is underneath it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is that your handwriting?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t know for sure. It could be.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And this telephone number doesn’t mean anything to you?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That concludes page 8. Let’s look at page 9.
There are some entries there. Are those in your handwriting?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; I don’t remember every making an entry of that sort.
For one thing this phone number has been gone over two or three times.
These numbers $3, $3.50, that has no meaning whatsoever to me. None of
this has any meaning to me whatsoever. I don’t recall ever making an
entry of that sort.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Can you ever even decipher this 18 and then a 12 and then
something is written. What is that?
Mr. CRAFARD. It looks like M-M-L-E-S or it could be M-E-B-L-S. That is
as close as I can come to it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. There is a telephone number RI 7-5610 also on that page.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And is that in your handwriting?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t believe so. It could be. It could be, I am not
positive.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That concludes page 9, doesn’t it?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. The front part. And there is nothing written on the back
of page 9.
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And there is nothing written on the front or back of page
10.
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Page 11 is a half sheet of paper and there is nothing
written on the front or back of what is left of that. Now on page 12
there are some items “supporter, shaving cream, after shave lotion,
tooth brush, code 10 hair cream.”
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Are those in your handwriting?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And they are personal items?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That you purchased for yourself?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long after you began to work for Jack was that entry
made?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe about 2 or 3 weeks after I went to work for Jack.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long before you left?
Mr. CRAFARD. That would be at least 4 or 5 weeks before I left.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That is on the front part of page 12 and there is nothing
else on the front part of page 12. On the back part of page 12 there
are a number of entries. Can you read those off to us.
Mr. CRAFARD. The name Bonnie?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who is Bonnie?
Mr. CRAFARD. She is one of the waitresses at the Carousel Club.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What is after that?
Mr. CRAFARD. Salami, swiss cheese on rye with mayonnaise.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And then what is the entry.
Mr. CRAFARD. Ham and cheese with mayonnaise.
Mr. GRIFFIN. There is an M or something up ahead.
Mr. CRAFARD. That signifies the mayonnaise.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I see.
Mr. CRAFARD. PS, I don’t know exactly what that PS meant there. There
is ham and cheese with mayonnaise. I am not sure what the first part of
this was.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would that be Betty or Becky.
Mr. CRAFARD. It might have been Becky, probably Becky; yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was there a girl there named Becky, a waitress?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; a waitress. Then the next entry on the page is Bill
Remike.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who is he?
Mr. CRAFARD. He called in for reservations at the Carousel Club. To
continue with that, Bill Remike, two couples at 9:30 they asked for
good locations. The next entry on that is the name Proctor, one couple
at 9 o’clock.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That is also a reservation.
Mr. CRAFARD. Also a reservation.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That concludes the back of page 12.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now page 13, there is an entry.
Mr. CRAFARD. The phone number WH 2-5326, Bobby Patterson.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who is Bobby Patterson.
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe he was at the Vegas Club, one of the players at
the Vegas Club. I don’t have his name down. He had something to do with
the band at the Vegas Club.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was he somebody that you saw? Had you met him?
Mr. CRAFARD. I met Bobby Patterson; yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How many times would you say you met him?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe I saw him once or twice.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where did you see him?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe once at the Carousel Club and I believe I saw
him at the Vegas Club one time.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall now the time you saw him at the Carousel,
when was that?
Mr. CRAFARD. He come in in the afternoon and talked to Jack.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And do you recall how long he stayed?
Mr. CRAFARD. He wasn’t there very long, maybe 15 or 20 minutes at the
most.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And do you recall what he talked about with him?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it was something about, had something to do with
who was in charge of the band at the Carousel or the Vegas Club or
something of that sort. I am not positive.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about the time that you think you saw him at the Vegas
Club.
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe one night when I went over with Jack he was
there. He played at the Vegas Club. I am trying to get it straight.
I think he was a guitar player. No; wait a minute, a horn player,
saxophone player I believe it was. And this buddy of his, they had an
act where the buddy lay down across two chairs and he stepped up on his
buddy’s chest and he stood on his buddy’s chest playing his horn.