Mr. CRAFARD. About the salary; yes.
Mr. HUBERT. It is fair to say then that these entries relate to that
week, to wit, about 3 weeks before the assassination.
Mr. CRAFARD. It would be 2 or 3 weeks before the assassination.
Mr. HUBERT. You said that the significance of the fact that there are
no entries for Thursday, Friday and Saturday is that Jack told you that
it was no longer necessary to keep a record of your draws?
Mr. CRAFARD. I would believe so; yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. What did that mean with respect to whether you were going
on salary or not?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember what it had to do with that, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you go on a salary?
Mr. CRAFARD. I never was paid any salary.
Mr. HUBERT. But you do remember he told you to stop keeping a record.
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe that would be the reason that I quit. I don’t
actually recall him saying so but I believe that would be the reason.
Mr. HUBERT. Doesn’t that refresh your memory?
Mr. CRAFARD. No sir; it doesn’t.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t let me finish but I will repeat it. Doesn’t that
refresh your memory with respect to the fact that you all had agreed
upon a salary then? Could it have any other significance?
Mr. CRAFARD. He had said something; he said I would draw a salary but
I don’t believe there was ever any exact figure agreed upon. I don’t
remember of any.
Mr. HUBERT. In other words, on Wednesday, although you had not agreed
on what the amount of the salary would be, your recollection is that he
told you it was no longer necessary to keep this because there would be
a salary?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; I believe so.
Mr. HUBERT. But there never was any salary paid at all.
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. HUBERT. When did you normally make these entries?
Mr. CRAFARD. Whenever I’d make a draw. Usually in the evening I made
most of my draws.
Mr. HUBERT. And you would put it in the book immediately.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; usually.
Mr. HUBERT. Isn’t it a fact that sometimes you would put it in there
the next day.
Mr. CRAFARD. I might sometimes the next day; yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Isn’t it a fact also that at the beginning of that week you
wrote down all of these days and then the entries were made as you drew
for each day?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Now an entry for Thursday would have been made on Friday,
wouldn’t it?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it would have been made on Thursday.
Mr. HUBERT. I think you just told me that there was at least the
possibility.
Mr. CRAFARD. There was a possibility I would have waited until Friday
but I believe I would have made the entries on the day I made the draw.
Mr. HUBERT. I am suggesting to you that these sets of entries have to
do with the week in which President Kennedy was killed, and that is
that you had agreed upon a salary on the Wednesday.
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall exactly what week they had to do with, sir;
really. It could have been that week.
Mr. HUBERT. But you had agreed on salary?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. But not the amount of it?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. HUBERT. And you never were paid any?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. HUBERT. For instance, the Saturday before you left Dallas you were
not paid a salary.
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Had a salary been agreed upon prior to that time?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall that, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. If it had it would have been paid wouldn’t it?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; it would have been.
Mr. HUBERT. Doesn’t that pinpoint then this series of days as being the
week during which President Kennedy was killed on a Friday.
Mr. CRAFARD. It seems to; yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. After the entry “Saturday” there is a blank line and then
there is an entry “call home as soon as possible.”
How did that come to be written?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember, sir. It could have been somebody called
in to have one of the girls call home or something like this. A couple
of the girls had been married and had children.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was that a note left for Jack Ruby or for yourself?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t believe it was for Jack Ruby. I don’t remember.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you carry this notebook on your person at all times?
Mr. CRAFARD. When I was in the club it was in my pocket all the time.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And when you were not in the club?
Mr. CRAFARD. Most of the time it would be in my pocket, anyway.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now there is a telephone number written after the previous
entry, and it is RI 1-4643. Do you remember that entry?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; I don’t remember it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That concludes page 6.
Now let me turn over page 6 to the back, and there is something written
on there, Schroll. Is that in your handwriting?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And then there is the name Dick Gifford, KTVT, Fort Worth,
TA 3-7110. Is that in your handwriting?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now do you remember how this Schroll name happened to be
written down?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; I don’t.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Or who that refers to?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Dick Gifford?
Mr. CRAFARD. He was I believe an MC over at the KTVT.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now do you remember how that entry happened to be put in
there?
Mr. CRAFARD. It was something in connection with the twist board setup.
I called him in connection with—Jack give me the number to call and ask
for this Dick Gifford.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Then what did you say to Dick Gifford?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it was something on the price of advertisement
on TV, for a TV advertisement or something of that sort.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And what makes you think that it was the price of a TV ad?
Mr. CRAFARD. Mostly this next line hasn’t got anything on it. It has
been erased. I believe I erased it, 150 for 1 minute, and I recall this
150 for 1 minute was in connection with a TV advertisement.
I don’t remember whether I made the call or whether Jack made the call
or what.
Mr. GRIFFIN. After the line 150 for 1 minute, which is partially
erased, there is an entry “Names of record shops where it can be
bought.”
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What does that refer to?
Mr. CRAFARD. I am not sure of what it does refer to, sir. Probably a
record of some kind that Jack was wanting to get ahold of.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is that in your handwriting?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall any records that Jack was interested in
buying?
Mr. CRAFARD. He was buying records and bought a lot of records he gave
away as prizes in the club.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What kind of records were they?
Mr. CRAFARD. Such records as, Belly Dancer and Striptease for Your
Husband. Rusty Warren records and such as that.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So they were what you might call party records?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; party records.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack show an interest in any other kind of records
besides party records.
Mr. CRAFARD. Not for the club that I ever saw.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about for other purposes?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember him ever saying anything about records
for anything else.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That concludes the back part of page 6.
We will turn over to the front part of page 7. There are some entries
there. Are those entries all in your handwriting?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. The first entry is Joe Roskydall.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you tell us again who Joe Roskydall is?
Mr. CRAFARD. The name Roskydall is the last name of a friend of mine.
This Joe was a number in the phone number I called when I was trying to
locate this friend of mine.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What is your friend’s first name.
Mr. CRAFARD. Robert Roskydall.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And was Robert living with Joe Roskydall?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; I figured they might be related. He had been around
Dallas for quite a while and I thought they might be related in some
way.
Mr. GRIFFIN. There is something written on the next line after Joe
Roskydall. What is that?
Mr. CRAFARD. It looks like Benning, EV 1-6260.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Does that have any connection with Joe Roskydall?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t believe so.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall what Benning was?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What is written on the next line?
Mr. CRAFARD. W. J. Groveland, DA 1-5178.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is that a person?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so; yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who was that?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall how that entry came to be?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. There is another entry there.
Mr. CRAFARD. Dick Lenard.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes; who is Dick Lenard?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall that, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. There is another one.
Mr. CRAFARD. KTVT TA 3-7110.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That is the same number that you had for Dick Gifford.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Does that indicate that there was a second call made?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe that this KTVT here was wrote down before the
other one was. It was later he give me the name Dick Gifford for the
same number.
Mr. GRIFFIN. After the entry about KTVT there is a line with nothing
written on it and there is some more writing.
Mr. CRAFARD. E. J. Evans.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know who he was?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What is the next?
Mr. CRAFARD. Stevens Park Beauty Salon, 2140 Forth Worth.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What is the significance of that entry?
Mr. CRAFARD. Jack had me calling the beauty salons trying to get them
to promote this twist board for him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And did you call more than one beauty salon?
Mr. CRAFARD. I called several of them around Dallas. I don’t remember
calling any in Fort Worth.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What would you do when you would call these beauty salons.
Mr. CRAFARD. Talk to them about the twist boards.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How would a typical conversation go.