Mr. CRAFARD. Klinman.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How is that spelled?
Mr. CRAFARD. K-l-i-n-m-a-n.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who is Abe Klinman?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t know what his position was or what he done for a
living, but I believe I met him at the club.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was he a local Dallas citizen?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so, yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was this somebody that Jack dealt with regularly?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Four or five different times that I know of Abe
called the club, and several times that Jack called Abe.
Mr. GRIFFIN. There is a telephone number under there, “RI 8——”
Mr. CRAFARD. “4272.”
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is that Abe Klinman’s?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. On the next line there is something written in there.
Mr. CRAFARD. The word “personal,” the letters “UN,” that is a telephone
No. “UN-3-0400.”
Mr. GRIFFIN. Whose number is that?
Mr. CRAFARD. Mr. Earl Ruby’s in Detroit, that is his home phone number.
Mr. GRIFFIN. While you were at the Carousel, do you recall Jack’s ever
telephoning Earl Ruby or Earl Ruby ever telephoning Jack?
Mr. CRAFARD. Jack phoned Earl two or three different times. I don’t
recall Earl phoning Jack.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall why it was Jack called Earl?
Mr. CRAFARD. In connection—the one time that I can really recall was in
connection with the twist boards.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How soon was that after you went to work for Jack?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe that would have been about 2 or 3 weeks after I
went to work for Jack.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And what do you recall about that telephone call?
Mr. CRAFARD. Just the fact that he told Earl about the twist boards,
and he told him he’d send him a couple of them and some of the
advertisement he had on them, so he could promote them a little bit up
Detroit.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you overhear this telephone conversation?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir; there was something said about how they was
doing there, how they was selling there in Dallas, and the fact that
Jack thought that they would really go over pretty good up in Detroit,
Chicago, and in that area.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, there is a number under “Earl Ruby, Detroit” is
written under “personal UN-3400” and under “Earl Ruby, Detroit” there
are some other notations. Would you indicate what those are?
Mr. CRAFARD. It would be the No. 313 would be a code number, I believe,
for Detroit. The phone No. “UN 3-5590” which would be the business
number for Earl Ruby, and the words “Cobo Laundry” with the address
“18135 Livernoise Avenue,” Livernoise Street.
Mr. GRIFFIN. May I point out for the record that Livernoise is written
on two lines along the right-hand side of the page under the line
which says “Cobo Laundry 18135” on it, and it is bracketed off from a
notation, which is “Ed Pullman” and on the next line “TA-34484.”
Do you recognize the name Ed Pullman?
Mr. CRAFARD. He was a gentleman there in Dallas, I believe, that Jack
called several times.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know what his dealings were with Ed Pullman?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, I do not.
Mr. GRIFFIN. There is a line under that telephone number, “UN-3” and
then “UN-3” is scratched out and then on the following line there is a
name written. What is that name?
Mr. CRAFARD. Leona Miller.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who was she?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe she was a girl that called in connection with or
in answer to an ad that Jack Ruby had in the paper for waitresses.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So this entry, “Leona Miller” would not represent somebody
whom Jack called regularly?
Mr. CRAFARD. Not to my knowledge; no, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. It doesn’t really go with the group of numbers then that
we have been talking about which were sort of permanent numbers?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Ed Pullman though. Would he fall in this
category of people that Jack called regularly?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now there is a telephone number under the name Leona
Miller, and then there is a blank line, and there is something written
on the next three lines. What is that on the next three lines?
Mr. CRAFARD. Clark Dotty, I believe it is, D-o-t-t-y.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And the telephone number.
Mr. CRAFARD. WH 1-1227.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recognize the name Clark Dotty?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, I don’t; sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That concludes the reverse side of page one does it not?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Just before you finish that, let me ask you this. I notice
that there is apparently the name Clark Dotty written out at the bottom
of page one or the reverse of page one, and when it is written the
first time the word “Clark” seems to be written and scratched through
and then Clark Dotty is written again under its number.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Are both of those entries in your handwriting?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Can you tell us why you wrote it twice?
Mr. CRAFARD. About the only reason I can see here would be the fact
that when I wrote it the first time instead of the name Clark I put
some other name down. Then I wrote over it and I couldn’t make it out
so I wrote the name Clark Dotty underneath it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Larry, do you recognize the name Mary Ray?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; I don’t.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ever meet Ed Pullman’s wife?
Mr. CRAFARD. Not to my knowledge, no, sir. Not that I can recall I
should say.
Mr. GRIFFIN. On the top of page 2 there is an entry. Mar-Din Co.
underneath that the name Henry Denture. The address 404 South Well,
Chicago 7, Ill. Phone number HA 7-3172. Do you remember how that entry
came to be made in the book?
Mr. CRAFARD. It was the number, if I can recall right, Clark called in
connection with the Earl Products Co. There is a company that I believe
Jack said this Mr. Denture and himself had been partners in one time in
Chicago. The company had went broke but they still had the papers and
everything on the company. It had never been dissolved. He was using
this as a name to sell the twist boards under, the Earl Products Co.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Other than contacting Henry Denture at the Mar-Din Co., do
you know of any other dealings that Jack had with Mar-Din?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; that I remember.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is it your understanding that Henry Denture was involved
with Jack in the sale of twist boards?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What makes you have that understanding?
Mr. CRAFARD. Jack give me that understanding when he give me this Earl
Products Co. number, this number so I could call the Earl Products Co.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You mean the Earl Products Co. was at the same address and
number as this Mar-Din Co.?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir; from what I remember.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Mr. Hubert, do you have any questions you want to ask on
this?
Mr. HUBERT. I understood you to say that Jack wanted to communicate to
the Earl Products Co. the fact that Mar-Din and Henry Denture would be
associated with the twist boards?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Referring to page 2 of Exhibit 5202, I take it that the
first six entries starting with Mar-Din Co. and ending with Earl
Products all relate to the same thing, is that right?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. And were all entered about the same time?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. I am not clear just what the significance is and I wish
you’d state it again.
Mr. CRAFARD. This Henry Denture, he called, he said it had been checked
with him in this Earl Products before in Chicago and he was using the
Earl Products Co. as a name to sell the twist boards under.
Mr. HUBERT. Henry Denture was?
Mr. CRAFARD. Jack Ruby was, and he called Henry Denture in Chicago
about the twist boards.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you overhear the call?
Mr. CRAFARD. I was there when he made the call. I don’t recall just
exactly what was said but it was something about the twist boards.
Mr. HUBERT. And he called a man called Henry Denture?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he tell you why he wanted you to make this entry?
Mr. CRAFARD. It was just a number he wanted to keep.
Mr. HUBERT. All right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Larry, could the name Henry Denture be a mistake? Could
the last name really have been Kenter?
Mr. CRAFARD. It could have been; yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Why do you say that?
Mr. CRAFARD. It is quite similar and I could have made a mistake and
put a “D” down in place of a “K.”
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now after the entry Earl Products Co., there is a line
with nothing written on it, and then there are two names. What are
those two names?
Mr. CRAFARD. Doris Land and Peggy Taylor.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall either of those two girls?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe they were girls who called in answer to the ad
that Jack was running in the paper.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And the telephone number TA 4-6895?
Mr. CRAFARD. Would be the number where they could be reached at.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now under that there is the name Teddy Walters, and Teddy
is written in longhand and Walters is printed. Are both of those your
handwriting?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now do you recall who Teddy Walters was?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; I do not.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And there is a telephone number under that. What is that
telephone number?
Mr. CRAFARD. FE 7-4644.
Mr. GRIFFIN. There is an entry under that which looks like A. F.
McKnight, with a telephone number LA 6-2251. Do you remember anything
about A. F. McKnight?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe Jack called, had a conversation with him a
couple of times on the telephone. Other than that I can’t recall
anything.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall what those conversations were about?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That concludes page 2 on the front side.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I am going to turn the page over and ask you to look at
the back of page 2. Now there is a number WH 2-2371. Do you recognize
that number?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; it doesn’t mean anything to me.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And that is written in pen and then there is a line with
nothing written on it, and then there is the entry Riverside 7-2362
Earl Products Co. How did that entry come to be put down?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe that was a local number Jack had me put down for
the Earl Products Co. If I recall right that was the pay telephone of
the Carousel Club, and anybody, he said if anybody called the Carousel
Club asking about this Earl Products Co. or anything about that, to
give them this number to call.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So Jack didn’t want the Earl Products number to be
associated with his personal phone at the club?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now was there a personal phone at the club?
Mr. CRAFARD. Just a business phone, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. A business phone. What was the number on that business
phone?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember it, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was it the same number as on his home phone?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; can I go back a little bit on this?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mr. CRAFARD. Going back to page 2 starting with the Mar-Din Co., the
number below that I believe, the HA 7-3172 if I remember right it
seems to me that this number and the address were different. It seems
to me this number was either a Fort Worth or a Dallas number, and
this address up here was just an address where I sent something, or
something of that sort.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I see.