Mr. CRAFARD. East Waco.
Mr. GRIFFIN. East Waco, and that is written in pen?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; I don’t recall I ever wrote it down, and it doesn’t
look like my handwriting.
Mr. HUBERT. Page 10?
Mr. GRIFFIN. No; page 13.
Mr. CRAFARD. Page 13. The reverse side of that page is my handwriting.
It is just notations. Page 14 is some notations I took while I was
trying to make arrangement to ship a dog to California. It is about a
third of a page.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Can you read page 14 for us? It is a little difficult to
read.
Mr. CRAFARD. I’m not even sure what it is, myself. I can make out the
name Frank Fisher underneath, but that is all. I believe the rest of it
is something, Boeing Insurance it looks like.
Mr. HUBERT. How is it spelled?
Mr. CRAFARD. B-o-e-i-n-g. The reverse side of page 14 is just
notations. 15 is just notations. I don’t remember the bottom portion
of that number wrote in dark blue ink.
Mr. GRIFFIN. It begins with “WE-7-3037”?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. What page?
Mr. CRAFARD. Page 15.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Then there are three more lines which appear to read on
one line, “063” on the next line “Herman” printed, and the letters
“Flore” and then those are crossed out and written above it in longhand
is the word “flowers”. And then directly under “Herman Flowers” is in
longhand “from Wax-a-hatchy.” Do I understand that you do not recognize
that writing, for example, “from Wax-a-hatchy”, as being in your
handwriting?
Mr. CRAFARD. “Wax-a-hatchy”, I believe, is my handwriting. The rest of
it I don’t recognize. On the reverse side of that is figuring. That is
definitely not mine. Page 16 is just notations. That is about 2/3 of a
page. The reverse side of that page is just notations, people calling
in wanting reservations. Page 17 is just notations in my handwriting.
The reverse side of page 17 is just notations. Page 18 is just
notations in my handwriting. The reverse side of that is just notations.
Mr. GRIFFIN. With the exception of the pages in that book which you
have indicated are blank, every page in the book is filled, which means
that there are only a total of 18 pages in the book altogether. Do
you recall from looking at this notebook whether when you bought the
notebook it had more pages in it than appear to be there now?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it did have. I’m not positive.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall ripping out any of the pages?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall ripping out any full pages; no, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall whether in making the entries in that book
you used pages in a consecutive fashion or whether you made entries on
pages at random so that there would be many blank pages interspersed
among pages that had writing on them?
Mr. CRAFARD. Most of it, I believe, was—from the first portion of the
book, from the front to the back was pretty well in rotation. If I turn
it over to the back and maybe flip over four or five pages and make a
notation in it, as I recall.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you mean by that that you would leave some blank pages
at the back?
Mr. CRAFARD. As I recall, there was blank pages left spaced in the back.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So your testimony would be that the book as you see it now
is not in the same condition as it was in when you left Dallas on the
23d of November?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is there anything else about that book which appears to be
different from the way that you remember it when you left Dallas on the
23d?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; not that I can notice.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you have any general questions, Mr. Hubert, that you
want to ask about the book?
Mr. HUBERT. Yes; I would like to. What was the purpose of keeping that
book?
Mr. CRAFARD. I used it, Jack would get calls he wanted to keep the
number of and I’d write the number down in this book and later transfer
to another book, and then I would use it if a phone call come in
somebody wanting to talk to Jack I’d put the number down where he could
get in touch with them at so I could give him the number to call.
Mr. HUBERT. I think you testified that the first three or four pages
were made when you first bought the book?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And were in fact numbers that you knew or he told you would
be frequently called, is that right?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; the first two pages on both sides.
Mr. HUBERT. He gave you those numbers?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, you were to keep the book in order to advise him
currently, that is to say, daily, of the calls and messages and so
forth that came in?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. HUBERT. I suggest to you, therefore, that that book, in order to
serve the purpose that you stated, it was being kept for, would have
been used by making the entries in sequence as they came up and not
skipping around?
Mr. CRAFARD. I used the front of the book for numbers that Jack give me
that he wanted to keep. Then I’d use the back of the book for people
that called in for reservations at the club or he’d give me some
numbers he wanted to use right then, but he wouldn’t want to keep them,
or something of this sort.
Mr. HUBERT. My point is that when you first started to use the book did
you just put the first series of entries other than those numbers that
were frequently called just at random on any page, or would you put it
in the next available page?
Mr. CRAFARD. It would usually be on the next page. Sometimes I would
skip maybe two or three pages.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you have any reason for doing that?
Mr. CRAFARD. I’d want to have the pages there, a couple of blank pages
there, like this one here which should have been torn out. I don’t know
why I didn’t.
Mr. HUBERT. What page are you referring to?
Mr. CRAFARD. The reverse side of page 12. It is a list of some
sandwiches I went out and got for a couple of the girls that worked at
the club.
Mr. HUBERT. Are you suggesting to us that the book served several
functions and that there were different portions of it for each
function?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. HUBERT. I think you said that the back of each page was used for
the function of putting down reservations.
Mr. CRAFARD. I might use two or three pages right in a row for that, or
I might take a page right out of the middle of the book.
Mr. HUBERT. And leave it in the book?
Mr. CRAFARD. Usually I tore the page out. The pages I transferred over
and when I got the book full I’d just throw the book away and get
another book.
Mr. HUBERT. Which book are you talking of?
Mr. CRAFARD. These notebooks like this.
Mr. HUBERT. You had more than one?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe I had one other notebook similar to this, the
same type of a notebook as this.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall what you did with that notebook?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, I don’t.
Mr. HUBERT. I thought you testified that this was the one that you
started off with.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. There was another one that you bought later?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. I used it quite frequently. I’d tear the pages out
and write down the reservations a lot, most of the time. I had this
book and when I started putting reservations down I thought I’d get
another book and use it for that and then I’d have this one just for
the phone numbers and I wouldn’t mess up the reservations.
Mr. HUBERT. Then the other book, when it was used up, as it were, was
thrown away?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, you have been through it. What we want to find out is
if there is any way that one can tell by looking at the book about the
date when any particular entry was made.
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Are you saying that you skipped around arbitrarily?
Mr. CRAFARD. It might be 2 or 3 days before I’d put anything down in
this book in a row, maybe. Personally, I couldn’t say anything about
the dates when I made the entries.
Mr. HUBERT. Suppose that you hadn’t used the book for a couple of days
and then you found occasion to make an entry. Would you make that entry
right following the last one you had made or would you make it at some
other page?
Mr. CRAFARD. Several times I would flip over in the book to the next
empty page, put down an entry, and later I’d take the first few pages
that I had left out, left where I could and there would be a number
Jack would want to keep and I’d write the number down. These numbers on
the first couple of pages here, I think the first page is all numbers
that I got the first day and then the others is numbers I added to it
later.
Mr. HUBERT. Then are we to understand that there is no possibility of
determining the sequence of events recorded in that book by referring
to the order in which they appear in the book?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. HUBERT. In other words, an entry on one of the later pages might
have been made prior to the one on the earlier page?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When you testified, Larry, that you would sometimes flip
the book over and make entries on the back of the pages, and as you
have just done in front of us, you have turned the book over on its
face to the back of the book. Do I understand your testimony to mean,
then, that you worked, for some of your notations you worked backward?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. From the back of the book?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. But am I correct in understanding that the pages in the
front of the book which have writing on the back side of the numbered
page were not entries that were made in this fashion that we have just
been describing but followed in the ordinary sequence that you would
have made in working from the front of the book?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right. The first two pages in the book, as I
stated before, are numbers that he wanted to keep. I would fill the
front of the page and then turn the page over and fill the reverse side
of that same page.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, as you go through there, would you leaf through
those pages from one on, and tell us what the first page is that you
recognize that wasn’t made by working from the front of the book and
filling in sequence the back of the page after you had filled the front?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it would be page No. 4.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And the back of page 4 has entries on it which might have
been made because you were working from the back of the book forward?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, I believe so. I believe that is where I made those.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You also explained to Mr. Hubert that you would transfer
some of the entries from that book into another notebook.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you describe the other notebook for us?
Mr. CRAFARD. It was a Penway notebook, but it was a larger notebook. It
was a memo pad, I believe is what it was. Was wide enough that it had a
dividing line down the middle of the page, a red dividing line down the
middle of the page.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who purchased that notebook?
Mr. CRAFARD. I did.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And how long after you purchased this small Exhibit 5202
did you purchase the notebook that you have just been describing?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it was about 3 or 4 days later.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where was that book kept physically?
Mr. CRAFARD. Mostly on Jack’s desk.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you leave that notebook at the Carousel when you left?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were there any entries that were made in that notebook
which were entered directly into that notebook without being placed in
some other notebook first?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe there were a few in the last couple or few pages
in the notebook.
Mr. GRIFFIN. The entries that were in this larger Penway notebook
which you have been describing, did they include all of the telephone
numbers that are in this small Penway notebook which we have before us?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, not all of the numbers. There were numbers—the numbers
that Jack wanted to keep and used quite frequently.
I believe all of the numbers on both sides of the first two pages were
in that book along with some other numbers that he had given me that he
wanted to keep that I wrote down there in the front.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were all the numbers that were placed in the large Penway
notebook placed there at Jack’s instructions or did you place some of
them in there on your own initiative?
Mr. CRAFARD. It was numbers that Jack wanted to keep and he asked me to
write down, he had asked me to get another book and write them down in
it so he could have them.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Up to the time that you bought this larger Penway
notebook, had Jack been maintaining a notebook?
Mr. CRAFARD. Very seldom that he used a notebook. He had a book full of
numbers he very seldom used it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where did he keep that book of phone numbers?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe he had one on his desk.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall what kind of a book that was?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it was a regular phone number and address book.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you think you would recognize that book if it were
shown to you again?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so; yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Larry, do you recall at this point if there were other
entries in this small Penway notebook which you have identified as 5202
which you do not see in there now?
Mr. CRAFARD. I couldn’t say definitely that there was; no, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I want to refer now to the inside of the front cover.
At the top of the inside of the front cover there is a number which
appears to be “261-TA3-8101.”
Is that the way you would read that number?
Mr. CRAFARD. I would read it 261-7A3-8101.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recognize that number?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; I don’t sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, can you tell us what the number is underneath that?
Read it for the record.
Mr. CRAFARD. FE 5-3366.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recognize that number?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. There is a number under that, 612. Do you have any idea
what connection that has?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, I don’t.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you see the name “Jeff,” which is written under 612?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know who that might refer to?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; I can’t recall who it was.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What is the next number under Jeff?
Mr. CRAFARD. TA 1-1782.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That “T” is written the same as what you thought was a No.
7?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.