Mr. GRIFFIN. You are referring to what appears to be 3902——

Mr. CRAFARD. East Waco.

Mr. GRIFFIN. East Waco, and that is written in pen?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; I don’t recall I ever wrote it down, and it doesn’t

look like my handwriting.

Mr. HUBERT. Page 10?

Mr. GRIFFIN. No; page 13.

Mr. CRAFARD. Page 13. The reverse side of that page is my handwriting.

It is just notations. Page 14 is some notations I took while I was

trying to make arrangement to ship a dog to California. It is about a

third of a page.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Can you read page 14 for us? It is a little difficult to

read.

Mr. CRAFARD. I’m not even sure what it is, myself. I can make out the

name Frank Fisher underneath, but that is all. I believe the rest of it

is something, Boeing Insurance it looks like.

Mr. HUBERT. How is it spelled?

Mr. CRAFARD. B-o-e-i-n-g. The reverse side of page 14 is just

notations. 15 is just notations. I don’t remember the bottom portion

of that number wrote in dark blue ink.

Mr. GRIFFIN. It begins with “WE-7-3037”?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. What page?

Mr. CRAFARD. Page 15.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Then there are three more lines which appear to read on

one line, “063” on the next line “Herman” printed, and the letters

“Flore” and then those are crossed out and written above it in longhand

is the word “flowers”. And then directly under “Herman Flowers” is in

longhand “from Wax-a-hatchy.” Do I understand that you do not recognize

that writing, for example, “from Wax-a-hatchy”, as being in your

handwriting?

Mr. CRAFARD. “Wax-a-hatchy”, I believe, is my handwriting. The rest of

it I don’t recognize. On the reverse side of that is figuring. That is

definitely not mine. Page 16 is just notations. That is about 2/3 of a

page. The reverse side of that page is just notations, people calling

in wanting reservations. Page 17 is just notations in my handwriting.

The reverse side of page 17 is just notations. Page 18 is just

notations in my handwriting. The reverse side of that is just notations.

Mr. GRIFFIN. With the exception of the pages in that book which you

have indicated are blank, every page in the book is filled, which means

that there are only a total of 18 pages in the book altogether. Do

you recall from looking at this notebook whether when you bought the

notebook it had more pages in it than appear to be there now?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it did have. I’m not positive.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall ripping out any of the pages?

Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall ripping out any full pages; no, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall whether in making the entries in that book

you used pages in a consecutive fashion or whether you made entries on

pages at random so that there would be many blank pages interspersed

among pages that had writing on them?

Mr. CRAFARD. Most of it, I believe, was—from the first portion of the

book, from the front to the back was pretty well in rotation. If I turn

it over to the back and maybe flip over four or five pages and make a

notation in it, as I recall.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you mean by that that you would leave some blank pages

at the back?

Mr. CRAFARD. As I recall, there was blank pages left spaced in the back.

Mr. GRIFFIN. So your testimony would be that the book as you see it now

is not in the same condition as it was in when you left Dallas on the

23d of November?

Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Is there anything else about that book which appears to be

different from the way that you remember it when you left Dallas on the

23d?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; not that I can notice.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you have any general questions, Mr. Hubert, that you

want to ask about the book?

Mr. HUBERT. Yes; I would like to. What was the purpose of keeping that

book?

Mr. CRAFARD. I used it, Jack would get calls he wanted to keep the

number of and I’d write the number down in this book and later transfer

to another book, and then I would use it if a phone call come in

somebody wanting to talk to Jack I’d put the number down where he could

get in touch with them at so I could give him the number to call.

Mr. HUBERT. I think you testified that the first three or four pages

were made when you first bought the book?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. And were in fact numbers that you knew or he told you would

be frequently called, is that right?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; the first two pages on both sides.

Mr. HUBERT. He gave you those numbers?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, you were to keep the book in order to advise him

currently, that is to say, daily, of the calls and messages and so

forth that came in?

Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.

Mr. HUBERT. I suggest to you, therefore, that that book, in order to

serve the purpose that you stated, it was being kept for, would have

been used by making the entries in sequence as they came up and not

skipping around?

Mr. CRAFARD. I used the front of the book for numbers that Jack give me

that he wanted to keep. Then I’d use the back of the book for people

that called in for reservations at the club or he’d give me some

numbers he wanted to use right then, but he wouldn’t want to keep them,

or something of this sort.

Mr. HUBERT. My point is that when you first started to use the book did

you just put the first series of entries other than those numbers that

were frequently called just at random on any page, or would you put it

in the next available page?

Mr. CRAFARD. It would usually be on the next page. Sometimes I would

skip maybe two or three pages.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you have any reason for doing that?

Mr. CRAFARD. I’d want to have the pages there, a couple of blank pages

there, like this one here which should have been torn out. I don’t know

why I didn’t.

Mr. HUBERT. What page are you referring to?

Mr. CRAFARD. The reverse side of page 12. It is a list of some

sandwiches I went out and got for a couple of the girls that worked at

the club.

Mr. HUBERT. Are you suggesting to us that the book served several

functions and that there were different portions of it for each

function?

Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.

Mr. HUBERT. I think you said that the back of each page was used for

the function of putting down reservations.

Mr. CRAFARD. I might use two or three pages right in a row for that, or

I might take a page right out of the middle of the book.

Mr. HUBERT. And leave it in the book?

Mr. CRAFARD. Usually I tore the page out. The pages I transferred over

and when I got the book full I’d just throw the book away and get

another book.

Mr. HUBERT. Which book are you talking of?

Mr. CRAFARD. These notebooks like this.

Mr. HUBERT. You had more than one?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe I had one other notebook similar to this, the

same type of a notebook as this.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall what you did with that notebook?

Mr. CRAFARD. No, I don’t.

Mr. HUBERT. I thought you testified that this was the one that you

started off with.

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. There was another one that you bought later?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. I used it quite frequently. I’d tear the pages out

and write down the reservations a lot, most of the time. I had this

book and when I started putting reservations down I thought I’d get

another book and use it for that and then I’d have this one just for

the phone numbers and I wouldn’t mess up the reservations.

Mr. HUBERT. Then the other book, when it was used up, as it were, was

thrown away?

Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, you have been through it. What we want to find out is

if there is any way that one can tell by looking at the book about the

date when any particular entry was made.

Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Are you saying that you skipped around arbitrarily?

Mr. CRAFARD. It might be 2 or 3 days before I’d put anything down in

this book in a row, maybe. Personally, I couldn’t say anything about

the dates when I made the entries.

Mr. HUBERT. Suppose that you hadn’t used the book for a couple of days

and then you found occasion to make an entry. Would you make that entry

right following the last one you had made or would you make it at some

other page?

Mr. CRAFARD. Several times I would flip over in the book to the next

empty page, put down an entry, and later I’d take the first few pages

that I had left out, left where I could and there would be a number

Jack would want to keep and I’d write the number down. These numbers on

the first couple of pages here, I think the first page is all numbers

that I got the first day and then the others is numbers I added to it

later.

Mr. HUBERT. Then are we to understand that there is no possibility of

determining the sequence of events recorded in that book by referring

to the order in which they appear in the book?

Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.

Mr. HUBERT. In other words, an entry on one of the later pages might

have been made prior to the one on the earlier page?

Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.

Mr. GRIFFIN. When you testified, Larry, that you would sometimes flip

the book over and make entries on the back of the pages, and as you

have just done in front of us, you have turned the book over on its

face to the back of the book. Do I understand your testimony to mean,

then, that you worked, for some of your notations you worked backward?

Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.

Mr. GRIFFIN. From the back of the book?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. But am I correct in understanding that the pages in the

front of the book which have writing on the back side of the numbered

page were not entries that were made in this fashion that we have just

been describing but followed in the ordinary sequence that you would

have made in working from the front of the book?

Mr. CRAFARD. That is right. The first two pages in the book, as I

stated before, are numbers that he wanted to keep. I would fill the

front of the page and then turn the page over and fill the reverse side

of that same page.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, as you go through there, would you leaf through

those pages from one on, and tell us what the first page is that you

recognize that wasn’t made by working from the front of the book and

filling in sequence the back of the page after you had filled the front?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it would be page No. 4.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And the back of page 4 has entries on it which might have

been made because you were working from the back of the book forward?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, I believe so. I believe that is where I made those.

Mr. GRIFFIN. You also explained to Mr. Hubert that you would transfer

some of the entries from that book into another notebook.

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you describe the other notebook for us?

Mr. CRAFARD. It was a Penway notebook, but it was a larger notebook. It

was a memo pad, I believe is what it was. Was wide enough that it had a

dividing line down the middle of the page, a red dividing line down the

middle of the page.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Who purchased that notebook?

Mr. CRAFARD. I did.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And how long after you purchased this small Exhibit 5202

did you purchase the notebook that you have just been describing?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it was about 3 or 4 days later.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Where was that book kept physically?

Mr. CRAFARD. Mostly on Jack’s desk.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you leave that notebook at the Carousel when you left?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Were there any entries that were made in that notebook

which were entered directly into that notebook without being placed in

some other notebook first?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe there were a few in the last couple or few pages

in the notebook.

Mr. GRIFFIN. The entries that were in this larger Penway notebook

which you have been describing, did they include all of the telephone

numbers that are in this small Penway notebook which we have before us?

Mr. CRAFARD. No, not all of the numbers. There were numbers—the numbers

that Jack wanted to keep and used quite frequently.

I believe all of the numbers on both sides of the first two pages were

in that book along with some other numbers that he had given me that he

wanted to keep that I wrote down there in the front.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Were all the numbers that were placed in the large Penway

notebook placed there at Jack’s instructions or did you place some of

them in there on your own initiative?

Mr. CRAFARD. It was numbers that Jack wanted to keep and he asked me to

write down, he had asked me to get another book and write them down in

it so he could have them.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Up to the time that you bought this larger Penway

notebook, had Jack been maintaining a notebook?

Mr. CRAFARD. Very seldom that he used a notebook. He had a book full of

numbers he very seldom used it.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Where did he keep that book of phone numbers?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe he had one on his desk.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall what kind of a book that was?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it was a regular phone number and address book.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you think you would recognize that book if it were

shown to you again?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so; yes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Larry, do you recall at this point if there were other

entries in this small Penway notebook which you have identified as 5202

which you do not see in there now?

Mr. CRAFARD. I couldn’t say definitely that there was; no, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. I want to refer now to the inside of the front cover.

At the top of the inside of the front cover there is a number which

appears to be “261-TA3-8101.”

Is that the way you would read that number?

Mr. CRAFARD. I would read it 261-7A3-8101.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recognize that number?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; I don’t sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, can you tell us what the number is underneath that?

Read it for the record.

Mr. CRAFARD. FE 5-3366.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recognize that number?

Mr. CRAFARD. No.

Mr. GRIFFIN. There is a number under that, 612. Do you have any idea

what connection that has?

Mr. CRAFARD. No, I don’t.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you see the name “Jeff,” which is written under 612?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know who that might refer to?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; I can’t recall who it was.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What is the next number under Jeff?

Mr. CRAFARD. TA 1-1782.

Mr. GRIFFIN. That “T” is written the same as what you thought was a No.

7?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

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