Mr. GRIFFIN. Page 10 is a blank. Page 11 is a half sheet of paper which
has been torn off and there is nothing written on that page. Page 14 is
approximately a third of a sheet of paper, the bottom two thirds having
been torn off, and it does contain penciled writing on it. Page 15 is a
full sheet. Page 16 is approximately a half sheet with penciled writing
on it. Page 17 is a full sheet. There is a total of 18 pages including
half sheets and third sheets of paper in the notebook, and there is a
blue hard cardboard front cover and a buff or dirty brown back cover
which is also hard cardboard. Do we have photostatic copies of it?
Do you want to put that in the record?
Mr. HUBERT. I just wanted to get them numbered the same way. We can do
that later.
(The document was marked Crafard Exhibit No. 5202 for identification.)
Mr. GRIFFIN. I am going to hand you what I have marked as Commission
Exhibit 5202, and ask you, Larry, if you recognize that.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; this is a notebook I used to keep phone numbers when
I was working for Mr. Jack Ruby.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you buy that notebook yourself?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; I bought this myself.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And how soon after you went to work for Jack Ruby did you
buy that?
Mr. CRAFARD. About a week after I went to work for him. You look real
close on the front you will see my name on the front of it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And did you write that in there?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Can you read what you see on there?
Mr. CRAFARD. C. L.—Larry Crafard, Carousel Club. Its got 1312½ Commerce
Street, Dallas, Tex. It’s real vague on there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That is an impression that simply comes through as
actually scratches on there and doesn’t come through in any color?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; it doesn’t come through in any color.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, when you bought this book, did Jack Ruby give you any
instructions with respect to maintaining the book?
Mr. CRAFARD. Just use it to put phone numbers down in, addresses of
people that called in wanting to talk, called in, put the phone number
down so I’d know how he could get in touch with them.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did the notations that appear in there follow any sequence
either chronological or by topic or anything of that sort?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t believe they do, no.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you want to take the time to look at it and see if
you recognize any sequence in the entries?
Mr. CRAFARD. The first portion of the book on the first page is more or
less numbers which was used quite frequently.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You are referring to page 1?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; page 1.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, do you want to look over on the back of page 1; the
reverse side?
Mr. CRAFARD. It is also numbers that were used quite frequently.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, look at page 2.
Mr. CRAFARD. Page 2, I believe, was an address on the top of page 2. It
was an address that I wrote down for Mr. Ruby.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What about the remaining entries on there. Were they
numbers that were used frequently?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; I don’t believe so.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you want to look at the reverse side of page 2?
Mr. CRAFARD. There is only one number on there, on the reverse side
of page 2 that we used very frequently. That was Little Lynn’s phone
number.
Mr. GRIFFIN. The front part of page 3?
Mr. CRAFARD. From the numbers on there, as far as I know, there was
only one of them that was used very frequently. It was Mickey Ryan. On
the reverse side is just more or less notations that were taken down
from phone calls. Then on page 4 is just numbers that were taken down
from phone calls. The first number on page 4, Norma Bennett, that was
that one girl I was trying to tell you about yesterday.
Mr. GRIFFIN. She was the waitress?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; she was the one I started saying about that Jack had
tried to get to work as a stripper to get her to work for this friend
of his, Ralph Paul.
Mr. HUBERT. What you mean is that during your testimony yesterday you
remembered her name as Norma but you did not remember her last name?
Mr. CRAFARD. I did not even remember her first name, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. I thought you mentioned that her name was Norma.
Mr. CRAFARD. Not that I recall, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. In any case, you now say that the person you were
testifying about yesterday who tried to get work and who was ultimately
placed at work by Ruby with Ralph Paul was Norma Bennett?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. And the entry on page—what is it?
Mr. CRAFARD. Page 4.
Mr. HUBERT. Refreshes your memory to that extent, right?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir. On the reverse side of page 4 is just notations.
No. 5 is just notations, with some things that Jack had to do on that
day. Then the reverse side of 5 is just notations, phone calls. No. 6
is some draws that I took on different days. The reverse side of No.
6 is just notations, mostly for phone calls that was taken. No. 7 is
just notations with the exception of the top number, the top name, Joe
Roskydall, who was a friend of mine while I was previously living in
Dallas.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Larry, in the pages that you have gone through so far,
have you noticed any handwriting in that book that is not your
handwriting?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. As you go through this, if you do recognize any
handwriting that is not yours, would you point that out to us?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir. On the reverse side of page 7 there is just
notations from phone calls. The bottom half of that page written in ink
isn’t my handwriting.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recognize whose handwriting that is?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; I don’t.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Are you able to recognize Jack Ruby’s handwriting?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; I am not.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Are you able to recognize Andy Armstrong’s handwriting?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe I would recognize Andy’s writing.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Does that appear to be Andy Armstrong’s handwriting?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you want to look at page 8?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is my writing on page 8. That is just phone numbers,
addresses that was taken down that Jack Ruby give me to write down,
addresses that he wanted to keep. On the reverse side of that is a
couple of phone numbers. I don’t recall what they were for. Page 9 I
don’t have any idea what that was for. I don’t recall it all.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is that your handwriting on page 9?
Mr. CRAFARD. It looks like my handwriting, yes. The reverse side of
page 9 is blank. Page 10 is blank. A portion of a page, page 11, is
blank.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Page 11, incidentally, is a half sheet of paper. Do you
recall in using this notebook whether you had occasion to rip out
portions of the notebook?
Mr. CRAFARD. A couple of times I took a piece of paper and put a phone
number on it for Jack. Page 12 is just a few notations for some things
that I had to buy for myself. The reverse side of page 11 is——
Mr. GRIFFIN. That is the reverse side of page 12?
Mr. CRAFARD. Page 12, yes; is just notations. Page 13 is a couple of
notations.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Page 13 is in your handwriting?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. This number in East Waco may not be mine. I don’t
know.