THE SUPREME COUNCIL OF PUBLIC ECONOMY

February 20th.

To-day was an unlucky day. I felt tired, ill and hungry, and

had arranged to talk with both Rykov, the President of the

Supreme Council of People's Economy, and Krestinsky, the

Commissar of Finance, at such awkward times that I got no

tea and could get nothing to eat until after four o'clock. Two

such talks on an empty stomach (for the day before I had

had only a plate of soup and a little scrap of fish) were a

little too much for me, and I fear I did not gather as much

information as I should have collected under better

conditions.

I had a jolly drive, early in the morning, through the Chinese

Town, and out by the gate in the old wall, up Myasnitzkaya

Street, and round to the right to a building that used to

be the Grand Hotel of Siberia, a loathsome place where

I once stayed. Here in the old days provincial merchants put

up, who did not mind high prices and a superfluity of bugs.

It has now been turned into a hive of office work, and is the

headquarters of the Supreme Council of Public Economy,

which, controlling production and distribution alike, is the

centre of the constructive work going on throughout the

country.

This Council, the theorists tell me, is intended to become the

central organization of the state. The Soviets will naturally

become less and less important as instruments of political

transition as that transition is completed and the struggle

against reaction within and without comes to an end. Then

the chief business of the state will no longer be to protect

itself against enemies but to develop its economic life, to

increase its productivity and to improve the material

conditions of the workers of whom it is composed. All these

tasks are those of the Supreme Council of Public Economy,

and as the bitterness of the struggle dies away this body,

which came into being almost unnoticed in the din of battle,

will become more and more important in comparison

with the Soviets, which were in origin not constructive

organizations but the instruments of a revolution, the hardest

stages of which have already been accomplished.

It is perhaps worth while to set out here the constitution of

this Council. It is considered at present as the economic

department of the All-Russian Central Executive

Committee, to which, and to the Council of People's

Commissaries, it is responsible. It regulates all production

and distribution. It reports on the various estimates of the

state budget and, in conjunction with the Commissariats of

Finance and State Control, carries out the financing of all

branches of public economy. It consists of 69 members, and

is composed as follows:--Ten representatives from the

All-Russian Executive Committee, thirty from the

All-Russian Industrial Productive Union (a union of Trade

Unions), twenty from the ten District Councils of Public

Economy, two from the All-Russian Council of Workers'

Cooperative Societies, and one representative each from the

Commissariats of Supply, Ways of Communication,

Labour, Agriculture, Finance, Trade

and Industry, and Internal Affairs. It meets as a whole at

least once in every month. The work of its members is

directed by a Presidium of nine members, of which it elects

eight, the President being elected by the All-Russian Central

Executive Committee, and enjoying the rank of a People's

Commissar or Minister.

I had a long talk with Rykov, the President, or rather listened

to a long lecture by him, only now and then succeeding in

stopping him by forcing a question into the thread of his

harangue. He stammers a little, and talks so indistinctly that

for the first time (No. The first time was when Chicherin

gabbled through the provisions of the Brest Treaty at the

fourth All-Russian Assembly.) I felt willing to forgive

normal Russians, who nearly always talk as if they were in

Petrograd and their listener in Vladivostok.

Part of what he said is embodied in what I have already

written. But besides sketching the general aims of the

Council, Rykov talked of the present economic position of

Russia. At the moment Russian industry was in peculiar

difficulties owing to the fuel crisis. This was partly due

to the fact that the Czechs and the Reactionaries, who had

used the Czechs to screen their own organization, had

control of the coalfields in the Urals, and partly to the fact

that the German occupation of the Ukraine and the activities

of Krasnov had cut off Soviet Russia from the Donetz coal

basin, which had been a main source of supply, although in

the old days Petrograd had also got coal from England. It

was now, however, clear that, with a friendly Ukraine, they

would have the use of the Donetz basin much sooner than

they had expected.

The Brest peace and the deprivations it involved had made

them consider the position of the industrial districts from a

new standpoint, and they were determined to make

Petrograd and Moscow as far as possible independent of all

fuel which had to be brought from a distance. He referred

to the works in progress for utilizing water power to provide

electrical energy for the Petrograd factories, and said that

similar electrification, on a basis of turf fuel, is planned for

Moscow.

I asked how they were going to get the machines. He

said that of course they would prefer to buy them abroad,

but that, though this was impossible, the work would not be

delayed on that account, since they could make a start with

the machines they had. Turbines for the Petrograd works

they still hoped to obtain from abroad when peace had been

arranged. If the worst came to the worst he thought they

could make their own. "That is one unexpected result of

Russia's long isolation. Her dependence on imports from

abroad is lessening." He gave an example in salt, the urgent

need of which has led to the opening of a new industry,

whose resources are such as to enable Russia not only to

supply herself with salt, but the rest of the world as well if

need should be.

I asked what were their immediate plans with regard to the

electrification of Moscow. He said that there was no water

power near Moscow but big turf deposits which would be

used as fuel. In order not to interfere with the actual lighting

of the town from the power-station already in existence,

they are taking the electric plant from the Provodnik works,

which will supply enough electricity for the lighting of the town.

As soon as that is set up and working, they will use it for the immediate

needs of Moscow, and set about transferring the existing

power-station to the new situation near the turf beds. In

this way they hope to carry out the change from coal to turf

without interfering with the ordinary life of the town.

Eventually when things settle down they will get a larger

plant.

I said, "Of course you have a double object in this, not only

to lessen the dependence of the industrial districts on fuel

that has to be brought from a distance, and of which you

may be deprived, but also to lessen the strain on transport!"

"Yes," he said. "Indeed at the present moment the latter is

our greatest difficulty, hampering everything we would wish

to do. And transport we cannot put right without help from

abroad. Therefore we do everything we can to use local

resources, and are even developing the coal deposits near

Moscow, which are of inferior quality to the Donetz coal,

and were in the old days purposely smothered by the Donetz

coal-owners, who wished to preserve their monopoly."

I asked him if in his opinion Russia could organize

herself without help from abroad. He said, "I rather think

she will have to. We want steam dredgers, steam

excavators, and locomotives most of all, but we have small

hope of getting them in the immediate future, because the

effects of the war have been so serious in the

disorganization of industry in the western countries that it is

doubtful whether they will be in a position to supply even

their own needs."

While we were talking Berg, the secretary, came in. I asked

him how his Soviet matches were progressing, and he said

that the labels were being printed and that the first lot would

soon be ready. They will be distributed on the card system,

and he had calculated that they could sell them at twelve

kopecks a packet. I paid a rouble for a box of ordinary

matches at Bieloostrov, and a rouble and a half here.

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