CHAPTER XXI

INTERSTATE COMMERCE

At the time I am writing these lines, no question of governmental

policy occupies so prominent a place in the thoughts of the people

as that of controlling the steady growth and extending influence

of corporate power, and of regulating its relations to the public.

And there are no corporations whose proceedings so directly affect

every citizen in the daily pursuit of his business as the corporations

engaged in transportation.

Of the many new forms introduced into every department of civilized

life during the past century, none have brought about more marvellous

changes than the railroad, as an instrumentality of commerce. The

substitution of steam and electricity for animal power was one of

the most important events in our industrial history. The commercial,

social, and political relations of the nations, have been revolutionized

by the development of improved means of communication and

transportation. With this changed condition of affairs in the

commercial world came new questions of the greatest importance for

the consideration of those upon whom devolved the duty of making

the nation's laws.

In the early days of railroads, the question was not how to regulate,

but how to secure them; but in the early seventies their importance

grew to such proportions that the railroads threatened to become

the masters and not the servants of the people. There were all

sorts of abuses. Railroad officers became so arrogant that they

seemed to assume that they were above all law; rebating and

discrimination were the rule and not the exception. It was the

public indignation against long continued discrimination and undue

preferences which brought about the Granger Movement, which resulted,

seventeen years later, in the enactment of the first Interstate

Commerce Act.

With the Granger Movement of the early seventies, and the passage

of State laws for the control of railroad transportation, began

the discussion which is still before Congress and the public as

one of the live issues of the day.

It so happens that I have been intimately connected with this

subject from the time I was serving as Speaker of the Illinois

House of Representatives in 1873.

The State of Illinois, like most of the Western States, had a law

on the subject of railroad regulation; but it was ineffective, and

the commission under it had no practical power. I appointed the

committee of the House of Representatives of the Illinois Legislature

in 1873, of which John Oberly, of Cairo, Illinois, was a member,

and it was that committee that reported to the House the bill which

finally became a law, known as the Railroad and Warehouse Law of

1873. It is still the existing law in Illinois, and was for many

years regarded as one of the broadest and most far-reaching of

State enactments.

After I became Governor of the State, in 1877, I appointed a new

Railroad and Warehouse Commission under the new law, and naturally

took a deep interest in its work. During my term as Governor a

resolution was adopted by the General Assembly really looking to

the abolition of the Railroad and Warehouse Commission, but on its

face inquiring of me as Governor for information concerning the

cost of maintaining the Railroad and Warehouse Commission, and the

benefits, if any, of the commission, to the people of the State of

Illinois.

To this resolution I promptly responded in a message to the General

Assembly, dated February 17, 1879, which in part I take the liberty

of quoting here, because never afterwards in Illinois, so far as

I know, was there any movement to abolish the Railroad and Warehouse

Commission and repeal the Illinois Railroad and Warehouse Act.

After giving the pay and expenses of the board, I continued:

"To answer this portion of the resolution in a manner satisfactory

to myself would include a recital of the many attempts that have

been made in this and other countries to control railroad corporations

by legislation. In a paper of this kind such a reply can not be

made. I must therefore be satisfied with a glance at the advance

that resulted in the enactment of the railroad and warehouse laws

of this State.

"Since the passage of the laws creating the railroad and warehouse

commission, in 1871, Illinois has made very important advances

toward the solution of the railroad problem.

"The questions involved in this problem have not only been before

the people of this State, but in other States and countries.

"In England, after the railroad had become a fact, it was recognized

as a public highway. The right of Parliament to fix rates for the

transportation of passengers and freight by railroad corporations

was therefore asserted, and schedules of rates were put into their

charters. Those familiar with the subject need not be told that

the attempt to establish rates in this manner was a failure. Then

it was asserted that competition, if encouraged by the Government,

would prove a remedy for the abuses with which the railroads were

charged. The suggestion was acted upon. The Government encouraged

the construction of competing lines. As a result, rates fell.

Competition, however, finally began to entail disaster upon the

competitors and compel them to become allies to escape destruction.

The competitors combined; railroads were consolidated; rival lines

were united, and competition was thus destroyed. The danger of

great combinations of this kind, not only to the business interests

of the country, but also to the State, was at once suggested, and

occasioned alarm. This alarm resulted in a public opinion that

the Government should own the railroads. But consolidation, to

the surprise of the prophets of evil, did not result in higher

rates. On the contrary, lower rates and higher dividends resulted.

"Thus by a logical process of attempt and failure to control railroad

corporations, the conclusion was reached that wise policy required

permission to such corporations to operate their railroads in their

own way upon ordinary business principles. But at the same time

a board of commissioners was wisely created and authorized to hear

and determine complaints against railroad corporations, and to

exercise other important powers. This board was created about five

years ago; and the most notable feature in its career, says Charles

Francis Adams, junior, is the very trifling call that seems to have

been made upon it. The cases which come before it are neither

numerous nor of great importance. It would, however, be unwholly

safe to conclude from this fact that such a tribunal is unnecessary.

On the contrary, it may be confidently asserted that no competent

board of railroad commissioners clothed with the peculiar power of

the English board, will, either there or anywhere else, have many

cases to dispose of. The mere fact that a tribunal is there, that

a machinery does exist for the prompt and final decision of that

class of questions put an end to them. They no longer arise.

"The process through which the public mind in America has passed

on the railroad question is not dissimilar to that through which

the public mind of England passed. But here competition was relied

on from the first. To all who asked for them railroad charters

were granted. The result has been the construction of railroads

in all parts of the country, many of them through districts of

country without business, or even population, as well as between

all business centres and through populous, fertile, and well

cultivated regions. Free trade in railroad building, and the too

liberal use of municipal credit in their aid, has induced the

building of some lines which are wholly unnecessary, and which

crowd, duplicate, and embarrass lines previously built and which

were fully adequate to the needs of the community.

"In Illinois, railroad enterprises have been particularly numerous

and have made the State renowned for having the most miles of

railroad track--for being the chief railroad State.

"But competition did not result according to public anticipation.

The competing corporations worked without sufficient remuneration

at competing points, and, to make good the losses resulting, were

often guilty of extortion at the non-competing points. They

discriminated against persons and places. Citizens protested

against these abuses in vain. The railroad corporations, when

threatened with the power of the Government, indulged in the language

of defiance, and attempted to control legislation to their own

advantage. At last public indignation became excited against them.

They did not heed it. They believed the courts would be their

refuge from popular fury. The indignation of the people expressed

itself in many ways and finally found utterance in the Constitution

of 1870. In this Constitution may be found all the phases of

opinion on the railroad question through which the English mind

has run. The railroad is declared a public highway. The establishment

of reasonable rates of charges is directed; competition between

railroads is recognized as necessary to the public welfare; and

the General Assembly is required to pass laws to correct abuses

and to prevent unjust discrimination and extortion in the rates

and passenger tariffs on the different railroads of the State, and

enforce such laws by adequate penalties to the extent, if necessary

for that purpose, of forfeiture of their property and franchises.

"The Constitution did more than this. To correct abuses of the

interests of the farmers from whose fields warehousemen in combination

with corporate common carriers had been drawing riches, it declared

all elevators or structures where grain or other property was stored

for a compensation, public warehouses, and expressly directed the

General Assembly to pass laws for the government of warehouses,

for the inspection of grain, and for the protection of producers,

shippers, and receivers of grain and produce.

"Promptly after the adoption of the Constitution the Legislature

attempted to give these provisions vitality by the enactment of

laws to carry them out. One of these created the Railroad and

Warehouse Commission and imposed on it important duties. Another

was an act to regulate public warehouses and warehousing. By this

act other important duties were imposed upon the Railroad and

Warehouse Commission."

After reviewing the attempt to enforce these laws the message

continues:

"In 1873, the present law to prevent extortion and unjust discrimination

in rates charged for the transportation of passengers and freight

on railroads in this State was passed. It was prepared and enacted

with the decision of the Supreme Court in the case of _Illinois_

vs. _C. and A. R. R._, fresh in the minds of the members of the

General Assembly, and every suggestion made by the court was

observed.

"The Commission since the enactment of this statute has brought

many suits against railroad corporations for violation of the law."

After reviewing the various cases I proceeded:

"In 1871, the Railroad and Warehouse Commission was established.

Its creation was resisted by both railroad corporations and public

warehousemen, and after its organization they treated it with little

consideration. They refused to recognize its authority, but after

the decision of the Supreme Court of the United States declaring

the doctrine that the Government may regulate the conduct of its

citizens to each other, and, when necessary, for the public good,

the manner in which each shall use his own property, the railroad

corporations and public warehousemen began to grow less determined

in their opposition to the attempts to control them, until at this

time there is very little opposition. They now give prompt attention

to requests of the Commission for the correction of abuses called

to its notice by their patrons; and thus the Commissioners not only

settle questions arising between railroad corporations and those

who patronize them, but it may as truthfully be said of this as of

the English or Massachusetts Commission, that the very fact of its

existence has put an end to many of the abuses formerly practised

by such corporations, and which were angrily complained of by the

people. . . .

"It is a curious fact that the conclusion reached by the English

statesmen in 1874, was reached in Illinois in 1873; the conclusion

that railroad companies ought to have the right to control their

own affairs, fix their own rates of transportation, be free from

meddlesome legislation, and, as has been said, work out their own

destiny in their own way, just so long as they show a reasonable

regard for the requirements of the community."

After analyzing the law of 1873, referring to the procedure under

it, to the decision of the courts, and the fact that the Railroad

and Warehouse Commissioners made under it a schedule of maximum

rates of charges, I said:

"The schedule will require revision from time to time, and this

work can only be done by men who can give it their whole time, and

who will become students of the great subject of transportation.

"Before action by the Supreme Court it has not been deemed advisable

that the Commissioners should revise the schedule, and put the

State thereby to what might be unnecessary expense; nor that they

should multiply suits under the law of 1873, against railroad

companies for similar offences to those set up in the cases now

pending.

"Ever since its organization the board has been putting into

operation new laws founded upon old principles applied to new facts

and it has been compelled to walk with slow step. It has been

required, in the assertion of its authority to go from one court

to another, and await the approval by the Supreme Court of the

legislation directed by the Constitution of 1870.

"It has won a victory in the warehouse controversy and secured the

judicial endorsement of doctrines which in this age of concentration

and monopoly, are absolutely necessary to the public welfare. . . .

"Leaving out of view the benefits that have resulted to the people

by the mere fact of the existence of the Board, which has prevented

many abuses that would have been committed save for its presence

in the State, it has been at work, and useful. It has perfected

the organization of the Grain Inspection Department at Chicago; it

has gathered statistics in reference to transportation that are of

very great benefit to the public; it has adopted the policy of

railroad examinations with a view to security of life; and, in my

judgment, the authority of the Commission ought to be enlarged so

as to enable it to compel the railroad companies to improve their

tracks and bridges, when, in the judgment of the Commission, such

portions of railroads become unsafe. The Railroad Commissioners

act as arbitrators between the railroad companies and their patrons;

and in the Commissioners' report they say they have succeeded in

settling most of the complaints made to them in a manner satisfactory

to all the parties to the controversies.

"In my judgment if the Commission were dispensed with by the

Legislature, difficulties would soon arise, agitation would commence

again, and controversies would run riot. New legislation would

follow, another board of some kind would soon be created, and the

track we have just passed over would be again travelled by the

people's representatives.

"The Board should be sustained in the interest of all the people.

Instead of being destroyed it should be strengthened. It should

not only have the authority with which it is now vested, but more.

It should be made a legal arbitrator in all matters of controversy

between railroad companies and warehouses and their patrons; and

it should be required to make examination of roads, and be invested

with authority to compel reparation of unsafe and defective bridges,

culverts, track, and rolling-stock.

"(Signed) S. M. Cullom,

"Governor."

My experience, as Chief Executive of the State, with the practical

workings of the Railroad and Warehouse Law, clearly demonstrated

to me that a State statute, no matter how drastic it might be, was

utterly inadequate to meet the evils complained of, and that

effective regulation must be Federal and not State, or probably

Federal and State combined. Some of the States had attempted to

exercise control over interstate traffic which originated in the

State, but it seemed perfectly clear from a long line of decisions

of the Supreme Court, beginning with _Gibbons_ vs. _Ogden_, and

continuing with _Reading Railway_ vs. _Pennsylvania; Baltimore and

Ohio_ vs. _Maryland_, and many other cases, that the States as such

had no control over interstate commerce. But it was not until our

own Illinois case (_Wabash Railroad_ vs. _Illinois_), that the

Supreme Court settled it once and for all. It was clearly stated

in that case that the power of Congress was exclusive, and the

Court said that, "notwithstanding whatever _dicta_ might appear in

other cases, this court holds now and has never consciously held

otherwise, that a statute of a State intended to regulate or tax

or to impose any restriction upon the transmission of persons or

property from one State to another is not within the class of

legislation which the States may enact in the absence of legislation

by Congress, and that such statutes are void."

This decision of the Supreme Court was rendered just about the time

I was elected to the United States Senate, and I then and there

determined that I would make it one of my great aims in the Senate

to secure the enactment of a Federal statute regulating interstate

commerce.

It would seem astonishing that the Commerce clause of the Constitution

should have remained dormant, as it did for nearly a century.

Aside from two unimportant acts, no statute had been passed under

it from the beginning of the Government until the Act to Regulate

Commerce was passed in 1887.

Not even a serious attempt had been made to pass an act for the

regulation of interstate commerce. Bills were introduced from

Congress to Congress and laid aside; some investigations were made

--as, for instance, the Windom investigation by a select committee

of the House in 1873--but it all came to naught. It seemed that

no one man, either in the Senate or House, had made it his business

to secure the passage of such an act.

Very fortunately, as I see it now, when I first came to the Senate,

I received no important committee assignments. Having been in

public life for many years, member of Congress, Governor of my

State, I naturally felt that I would be properly taken care of

without appealing to my older colleagues for assistance. Even my

own colleague, General Logan, did not interest himself in the

matter. I attended the caucus when the committee announcements

were made, and observing that I received nothing of any consequence,

I addressed the caucus and protested that I had not been treated

properly. Later Senator Edmunds resigned his place as a regent of

the Smithsonian Institution and I was appointed to succeed him in

that position.

I was assigned, however, to the Committee on Railroads--which was

then what we know now in the Senate as a non-working committee.

I determined that the committee should have something to do, and

I immediately became active in securing the consideration of an

act for the regulation of interstate commerce. I drew up a bill,

introduced it, had it referred to the committee, and finally secured

its consideration and report to the Senate. No one paid any

particular attention to what I was doing until then. When the bill

was reported to the Senate, and I was pushing and urging and doing

everything in my power to secure its consideration, Senator Allison,

always my friend, always wanting to assist me in any way in his

power, came to me one day and said:

"Cullom, we know nothing about this question; we are groping in

the dark; and I believe that there ought to be a select committee

of the Senate appointed to investigate the question, to go out

among the people, take testimony, and find out what they know about

it,--what the experts know, what the railroad officials know, what

public opinion generally is, and report their conclusions to the

Senate at the beginning of the next session. I am willing to help

you secure the passage of a resolution with that end in view."

This was perfectly agreeable to me and, on March 17, 1885, a

resolution of the Senate, introduced by me, was adopted. This

resolution provided--

"That a select committee of five Senators be appointed to investigate

and report upon the subject of the regulation of the transportation

by railroad and water routes in connection or in competition with

said railroads of freights and passengers between the several

States, with authority to sit during the recess of Congress, and

with power to summon witnesses, and to do whatever is necessary

for a full examination of the subject, and report to the Senate on

or before the second Monday in December next. Said committee shall

have power to appoint a clerk and stenographer, and the expenses

of such investigation shall be paid from the appropriation for

expenses of inquiries and investigations ordered by the Senate."

The committee, of which I was made chairman, was appointed in due

course, my colleagues being Senator O. H. Platt, of Connecticut;

Senator Warner Miller, of New York; Senator Arthur Pugh Gorman, of

Maryland; and Senator Isham G. Harris, of Tennessee. Leaving out

any reference to myself, the selection was regarded as having been

most judicious and suitable.

And here let me digress to say a few words in reference to my

colleagues on that committee.

Senator Warner Miller was a strong man intellectually, and a good

business man. He had succeeded Senator T. C. Platt on March 4,

1881, and readily took his place in the Senate as one of its

influential members, although he served but one term. He was a

valuable man as a member of the committee, and took a very prominent

part in the debates preceding the passage of the act.

Senator Gorman had a remarkable public career. Without the advantages

of influential family, without wealth, with only limited education,

through his own exertions alone he arose from the position of a

page in the United States Senate to the position of Senator and

leader of his party in the Senate. He was a _protégé_, friend,

and follower of that illustrious son of Illinois, Stephen A. Douglas.

He was one of the most sagacious politicians of his day. By his

shrewd management of the Cleveland campaign he secured the defeat

of Mr. Blaine and the election of Mr. Cleveland. His charming

personality, his suavity of manner, his magnetic influence over

men with whom he came into contact, combined with his marked ability,

made it easy for him to retain the difficult position of a leader

of his great party. He enjoyed in the highest degree the respect

and confidence of every Senator with whom he served, on both sides

of the chamber, and specially was his influence felt in securing

the support of the Democratic Senators in the passage of the Act

of 1887.

Senator Harris, of Tennessee, was a very useful member of the

Senate, and was a man possessed of more than ordinary ability.

His ability, perhaps, was not as great as Senator Gorman's, although

he was a very influential and highly respected member of the Senate.

He was a hard worker; and one trait in particular that I remember

about him was, he never failed to attend promptly on time the

meeting of any committee of which he was a member. Indeed, I do

not know of any man with whom I have served in the Senate, aside

from my respected colleague, Senator Frye, who was so punctual.

He was a man of convivial habits, and used to poke considerable

fun at me because I would not drink or play poker. At the time

when the select committee was to meet in Memphis, the home of

Senator Harris, the prominent business men of that place waited on

him and told him they understood a very eminent committee was coming

there in a few days, and they would like to show them some courtesies.

Harris replied that he did not know who would be there; that Senator

Platt would not, and he did not believe Senator Gorman would--in

fact, he did not believe any one would be there, excepting the

chairman and himself; and so far as the chairman, Senator Cullom,

was concerned, they could not do anything for him, as he did not

drink or smoke, and was "one of the damnedest, poorest card-players

he had ever known." So, about all the entertaining they could do

for him would be to show him about the city.

Many amusing stories were told of him. When I called the committee

together, preliminary to starting out on our tour, I told them that

I would be very glad to allow them everything within reason that

was necessary, but the Government would not pay for their whiskey

and cigars. Harris promptly replied: "That's right, Mr. Chairman.

So far as I am concerned, if I can't get my whiskey by standing

around the bar when other people are drinking, I will pay for it

myself."

When the committee were in Minneapolis, we were sitting at a long

table at dinner; I was at one end, and Harris was at the other,

facing me. An old soldier came up to speak to me, and glancing

down toward the other end of the table, he asked: "Is n't that

old Harris of Tennessee?" When I replied that it was, he continued:

"Well, well! The last time I saw him, he was wearing a linen-

duster, riding a mule, and going South like hell."

Harris was a man of the most rigid honesty. He not only rendered

valuable assistance in conducting the investigation, especially

through the South, which section of the country he particularly

represented, but took a prominent part in the debates and generally

performed his full share toward securing the passage of the act.

Of Senator O. H. Platt I have already written.

But to return. Immediately after the adjournment of Congress this

select committee visited Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Buffalo,

Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, Des Moines, Omaha, Minneapolis, and

St. Paul, where we adjourned to meet in the South. We went to

Memphis first, then to New Orleans and Atlanta, whence we returned

to Washington, where I prepared the report of the committee which

was submitted to the Senate, January 18, 1886.

The committee began its work impressed with the importance of the

duty with which it had been charged, and with each step taken in

prosecuting the inquiry we realized more fully how heavy were the

obstacles to be overcome, how serious were the abuses that existed,

how the public sentiment over the entire country was aroused, and

how difficult it was going to be to frame and secure the passage

of a measure adequate to relieve the situation. After many sessions

and long conferences the select committee finally agreed upon a

bill which, in its opinion, would correct the evils complained of.

Even after the committee had agreed to the bill, I was not entirely

satisfied; I feared the existence of some absurdities, some features,

which the railroads could not possibly comply with; and so I asked

Senator Platt to meet me in New York, previously having arranged

with Mr. Fink and Mr. Blanchard, two of the great railroad men of

their day, and a gentleman representing specially the people's

interests, whose name I do not recall, but who had been interested

in securing regulation in New York and was an expert on the

proposition, to meet with us in that city. We all met as planned.

I stated that I desired to take the bill up with them, section by

section, paragraph by paragraph, and if anything absurd or

impracticable was found, or anything that could not be carried out,

attention should be called to it, and we would discuss it and amend

it if necessary. We went ahead on this line and were arguing over

some proposition, when Mr. Fink got up and remarked: "Let it go;

the whole thing is absurd anyhow." I arose and said that if that

was the attitude of the railroad men, when the committee's only

object was to report to the Senate a fair bill, that the conference

might as well end. The other members of the conference intervened

and said it was not fair that the chairman of the committee should

be treated in this way, that Senator Cullom was acting in absolute

good faith, whereupon Mr. Fink apologized, and the reading was

resumed, and some amendments made where found necessary.

And this incident recalls to mind another aspect of the investigation.

While the select committee was considering the subject, travelling

from city to city, the high railroad officials paid no attention

to us; rather, I might say, they avoided being called before us,

probably considering it a waste of time, as they had no serious

thought that anything would come of the investigation. They

considered the railroads superior to the laws of Congress, and

depended upon their old State charters. In those days they were

the most arrogant set of men in this country; they have since

learned that they are the servants and not the masters of the

people. But when the bill seemed pretty certain to pass, the

attitude of the railroad officials suddenly changed. They came to

Washington and complained that they had not been given the opportunity

to be heard; that it would not be fair under the circumstances to

pass a bill so largely affecting them; and they seemed to be sorely

aggrieved when they could not prevent or delay its passage.

I introduced the bill in the first session of the Forty-ninth

Congress, and after a great deal of difficulty, even with my

colleague, General Logan, against it, finally had it made the

special order. General Logan knew nothing about the subject; he

cared nothing about it, and on one occasion he told me that I would

ruin myself by advocating it.

When I called the bill up for consideration, I was so anxious to

press it along that I did not care to make any general speech,

excepting to explain as carefully and minutely as I could the

various provisions of the measure. I said, in opening:

"I believe I am justified in saying that there is no subject of a

public nature that is before the country about which there is so

great unanimity of sentiment as there is upon the proposition that

the National Government ought in some way to regulate interstate

commerce. The testimony taken by the Committee shows conclusively

to my mind, and I think to every man's mind who reads it, that

there is necessity for some legislation by the National Government,

looking to the regulation of interstate commerce by railroad and

by waterways in connection therewith.

"I believe the time has gone by when it is necessary for any one

to take up the time of the Senate in discussing the proposition

that Congress has the power to regulate interstate commerce. These

questions have been discussed over and over again in Congress, and

the highest judicial tribunals of the country have decided over

and over again that Congress has the power to regulate commerce

among the States. So I do not feel at liberty, if I were disposed,

to occupy the attention of the Senate in discussing the general

subject of whether there is any necessity for our doing anything,

or the question of constitutional right of Congress to pass some

act regulating commerce among the States.

"If the three propositions are correct: that the public sentiment

is substantially unanimous that we should act; that the necessity

for action exists; and that the power of Congress is admitted,--

the only question left is, what Congress ought to do specifically;

in other words, what kind of an act should Congress pass. The

committee has reported a bill which is the best judgment that the

committee had upon the subject."

I then proceeded to explain the bill carefully, section by section,

and concluded by saying:

"I am led to believe that the bill as it stands is perhaps a more

perfect bill on this subject than has ever been introduced in the

Congress of the United States before. There may be many suggestions

of amendment by honorable Senators during the consideration of the

bill; and if any Senator has any suggestion of amendment to make,

of course it is within the privilege of the Senate to adopt it,

but I am very anxious that this bill shall be as promptly considered

as possible, and as promptly acted upon and passed as possible, if

in the judgment of the Senate it ought to be passed at all.

"As the Senate know, this subject has been up for consideration

from one term of Congress to another, almost time out of mind;

until the people of the United States have come almost to believe

that there is no real purpose on the part of Congress to do anything

more than introduce and report bills and discuss them a while, and

then let them die before any final action is reached upon them.

"I said in the outset that in my judgment there is no public question

before the American people to-day about which there is greater

unanimity of sentiment than there is upon the proposition that the

Congress of the United States ought to enact some law looking to

the regulation of commerce among the several States, and I trust

without taking up the time of the Senate longer that every Senator

will give attention to this subject until we can pass some bill

and get it to the other branch of Congress in the hope that before

this session adjourns we shall get some legislation on this subject

that will be of some service to the people and reasonably satisfy

public opinion."

I pressed the bill on the attention of the Senate every day, never

allowing it to be displaced where I could avoid it. I was determined

that some bill should be passed at that session. The debate was

long and interesting. There were comparatively few set speeches.

It was a hot, running debate almost from the beginning, participated

in by the strongest men in the Senate, many of whom were the ablest

men of their day. Senators Aldrich, Edmunds, Evarts, Gorman, Hoar,

Ingalls, Manderson, Miller, Mitchell, Morrill, Platt, Sewell,

Sherman, Spooner, Teller, Vest, Morgan, Cameron, Dawes, Frye, Hale,

Harrison, and Voorhees all engaged in it.

The bill was finally passed May 12, 1886.

In the meantime, Mr. Reagan, of Texas, who had been urging a bill

in the House, and had it up for consideration during the same time

the Senate bill was being considered, passed his bill, which differed

essentially from the Senate bill. Both bills went to conference

together, Mr. Reagan being the head of the conferees on the part

of the House, and I being the head of the conferees on the part of

the Senate. Then came the real struggle, the two measures remaining

in conference from June to the following January. The contention

finally centred on the pooling provision. Reagan had yielded on

nearly everything else; but Platt of Connecticut was bound there

should be no prohibition against pooling. Reagan affirmed that

the whole matter would have to drop, that he would never yield on

that. I came back and consulted the leaders in the Senate, Allison

among others, and they advised me to yield; that the country demanded

a bill, and I had better accept Reagan's anti-pooling prohibition

section than offer no measure at all--which I did.

Whether it is right or wrong, I do not know even to this day. I

have never been quite certain in my mind on the question of pooling,

and it is still a subject on which legislators and statesmen differ.

But one thing does seem certain--public sentiment is as much opposed

to pooling to-day as it was twenty years ago. There was a great

fight in the Senate to secure the adoption of the conference report.

Its adoption was opposed by such Senators as Cameron, Frye, Hawley,

Hoar, Morrill, Sawyer, Sewell, Sherman, and Spooner. The pooling

and long-and-short-haul clauses were the most fought over. Senator

Platt, although a member of the conference, made a very able speech

on the subject of pooling, in which he showed considerable feeling,

and I at one time feared that he would oppose the adoption of the

conference report on that account altogether. He concluded a very

able address during the last days of the consideration of the

report, by saying:

"Nine-tenths of all the interstate commerce business done to-day

is done under these arrangements which are sought to be damned

because of the evil meaning which has been given to the word

'pooling.' Whatever stability has been given to the railroad

business, and through it to other business of the country, has been

secured by these traffic arrangements, and in my judgment a bill

which breaks them all up ruthlessly within sixty days, which invites

the competition which is to demoralize business, will be far-reaching

in its injurious results. For one I prefer to stand by my judgment.

I will try to have the courage of my convictions; I will try to do

what I believe to be right, and I cannot consent to a bill which,

though I accept its other provisions, contains a provision which

I regard as positively vicious and wrong."

I was greatly provoked, almost outraged, at the manner in which

Senators opposed the adoption of the conference report. It became

almost a personal matter with me, and I finally concluded on the

very day the vote was to be taken, whether the adoption of the

report was to be beaten or not, that I would make a speech, and in

that speech I indicated just how I felt. I said in part:

"I have been sitting here to-day listening to the assaults upon

this bill, until I have become almost convinced that I am the most

vicious man toward the railroads of any man I know. I started in

upon the investigation of this subject two or three years ago with

no prejudices, no bias of sentiment or judgment, no disposition

whatever to do anything except that which my deliberate judgment

told me was the best thing to do. I have believed I have occupied

that position ever since, until within the last twenty-four hours,

when the attacks upon this bill have become such that I have become

a little doubtful whether I have not been inspired from the beginning,

so far as my action has been concerned, with a determination to

destroy the railroads of this country. To listen to the Senator

from Alabama [Mr. Morgan] descanting upon the provisions of the

bill, one can scarcely resist the conclusion that it is a bill to

destroy the commerce of the country, and especially to break down

all the railroads.

"So far as I am concerned, I repeat that I have no disposition of

that kind, and I am unaware that either of the Senators on the

conference committee have had any such disposition. We tried to

do the best we could with the bill the Senate passed during the

last session, to keep the bill as near to what the Senate had it

as we could do, and to arrive at an agreement between the House

and Senate conferees.

"I submit that the majority of the assaults have been against

provisions that were in the bill when the Senate voted for it during

the last session of Congress. I am of the opinion that if this

discussion lasted another day Senators would find in every line of

the bill a very serious objection to its adoption. They started

in to object to some provisions of the fourth and fifth sections.

The Senator who has just concluded his remarks got over to the

thirteenth section and I believe went one or two sections beyond

that, and if there are any more speeches to be made against the

bill I suppose the very last section of it will be attacked before

a vote is taken.

"The Senate conferees regarded it as their duty to cling to every

portion of the Senate bill, as it was passed, that they could cling

to and reach an agreement between the conferees of the House and

Senate. Hence it was that all these portions of the Senate bill

not objected to by the House conferees were allowed to remain in

the bill by the Senate conferees, the Senate conferees, as a matter

of course, believing that the Senate of the United States knew what

it was doing when it voted for the bill in the first place, and

thinking that it remained of the same mind still. . . .

"The Senator from Georgia assaults the bill because he says that

under it the provisions are so rigid that the railroads of the

country can do no business at all. The Senator from Oregon assaults

the bill because he says the fourth section amounts to nothing,

and that the words 'under like circumstances and conditions' ought

to be taken out.

"The Senator from Massachusetts [Mr. Hoar] assaults the bill because

he says it is going to interfere with foreign commerce, and that

the fourth section will be construed as not allowing a rebate of

five cents a hundred upon commerce shipped across the country for

exportation. . . .

"So I might go on referring to every Senator who has spoken against

the bill, and nearly every one of them has founded his objections

to the bill upon the use of the language that he had previously

voted for in the Senate of the United States before the bill went

to conference at all."

Men who opposed any legislation at all never supposed that the

conference report would be agreed to, and I so stated in the Senate

of the United States. I pointed out, moreover, that when they were

met by a conference report the railroad men of the Senate rallied

to the support of the transportation companies. I continued:

"Sir, it has just come to the point where you have got to face the

music and vote for an interstate commerce bill, or vote it down.

That is all there is to it. I have nothing more to say. I have

discharged my duty as best I knew how. I reported on the part of

the Senate conferees the bill that is before you. I am not

responsible for what the Senate does with it. I am not going to

find fault with anybody upon the question whether we concur in the

report or reject it, but I warn Senators that the people of the

United States for the last ten years have been struggling to assert

the principle that the Government of the United States has the

power to regulate transportation from one end of the country to

another. I believe that if this report is rejected it is very

doubtful whether we shall get any legislation at all during this

present Congress, so when the Senate acts upon the question my duty

will have been done so far as I am able to see it.

"I have believed from the time I have given any attention to public

affairs that it was necessary to bring into force the provisions

of the Constitution giving Congress the power to regulate commerce

among the States. The Senator from New York [Mr. Evarts] attacked

the bill and said that it was unconstitutional because, as I

understand it, the Constitution was framed for the purpose of

facilitating commerce, and this was a bill to hinder or to militate

against it.

"I undertake to say that the purpose of the bill, at least, whatever

may be the strained construction which has been placed upon it or

which may be placed upon it by the transportation companies of the

country, has been to facilitate commerce and to protect the individual

rights of the people as against the great railroad corporations.

I have no disposition to interfere with their legitimate business.

I have no disposition, God knows, to interfere with the commerce

of the country, properly conducted, but I do say that it is the

duty of the Congress of the United States to place upon the statute

book some legislation which will look to the regulation of commerce

upon the railroads that they will not treat one man differently

under similar circumstances and conditions. . . .

"The Senator from Alabama [Mr. Morgan] says that we had better go

slow and remain quiet under the old regime. Well, Mr. President,

I remember only a few days ago hearing the Senator from Alabama

alleging that the railroads, the common carriers of the country,

were eating up the people, were destroying the interests of the

people. I do not know whether he confined his remark to his own

State or extended it to the country, but I should have inferred

from the language he used against the railroad companies that he

would have been in favor of almost any legislation that would in

any way restrict them in their reckless disregard of the rights of

the people. I can only conclude that the Senator from Alabama

would rather that destructive system should go on, as he charged

it to exist when he made his speech the other day, without control,

than to trust a commission who he says are individually liable to

corrupt influences either at the hands of the President or somebody

else outside.

"Sir, we have got to trust somebody. We must either leave this

matter to the discretion and judgment and sense of honor of the

officers of the railroad companies, or we must trust the commission

and the courts of the country to protect the people against unjust

discrimination and extortion on the part of the common carriers.

Is it the President of the United States as against a corporation?

Is it an honest commission honestly selected by the President of

the United States as against a railroad company? I say that there

are not those inducements to be placed in the hands of a set of

men selected for their integrity, selected for their ability,

selected for their capacity to regulate railroads and enforce the

law, that are left in the hands of the officers of the railroad

companies themselves.

"I take it that there is somebody honest in this country, and that

the President, if this bill becomes a law, will select the broadest

gauge men, the men highest in integrity and intelligence as the

men to enforce this law as against the corporations and as a go-

between, if you please, between the shippers and the railroads of

the country. I am willing to trust them. If they are not honest

the President has the right to remove them; and if the shipper is

unwilling to submit to their judgment, under the bill he has a

right to go directly to the courts. I say that there is not anything

that can be done by these corporations against individuals where

the shipper himself has not a right to get into court in some way

or other, if he is not willing to abide by the decision of the

commissioners appointed by the President."

The conference report was adopted by a vote of thirty-seven yeas

to twelve nays; but it was a rather significant fact that there

were twenty-six absent, including Senators Aldrich, Dawes, Evarts,

Morgan, and some of the most bitter opponents of railroad

regulation.

The provisions of the Act of 1887 are too well known to need any

recital here. In a word, it was partly declaratory of the common

law, its essential features being that railroad charges must be

reasonable; that there must be no discriminations between persons

and no preference between localities; railroads were prohibited

from charging less for a long haul than for a shorter haul, "included

within it under substantially similar circumstances"; pooling was

prohibited; and a commission was established with power to hear

and decide complaints, to make investigations and reports, and

generally to see to the enforcement of the Act.

Considering the abuses that existed, the Act of 1887 was conservative

legislation, but in Congress and among the people generally it was

considered radical, until the courts robbed it by judicial construction

of much of its intended force. During the debates, Senators remarked

that never in the history of governments was a bill under consideration

which would inevitably affect directly or remotely so great financial

and industrial interests. It marked the beginning of a new era in

the management of the railway business of the United States. It

was the beginning of Governmental regulation which has finally

culminated in the legislation of the Sixty-first Congress. And it

is no little satisfaction to me to say that the fundamental principles

of the original Act of 1887 have been retained in all subsequent

acts. No one has seriously advocated that the fundamental principles

of the Act of 1887 be changed, and subsequent legislation has been

built upon it.

After the passage of the original Act of 1887, a permanent Interstate

Committee of the Senate, of which I had the honor to be chairman,

and in which position I remained for many years, was created. It

was a very active committee at first. Necessarily, amendments were

made to the law, and the railroads generally observed the law in

good faith. Even the long-and-short-haul clause was observed, as

it was intended by Congress that it should be. That is, the

railroads did not set up at first that competition would create a

dissimilarity of conditions and circumstances so as to justify them

in charging more for the short haul than for the long haul. But

it was not many years before the railroads attacked first one and

then another provision of the law, and they generally secured

favorable decisions from the courts. I do not intend to go into

the details of these decisions, the last one being the decision in

the case which held that the Commission had no power to fix a future

rate, because the act did not give it that express power. My own

judgment is, and was at the time, that the original act by implication

did give to the Interstate Commerce Commission the power to say

after complaint and hearing, and after a given rate had been declared

to be unreasonable, what in that case would be a reasonable rate;

but the courts decided otherwise. Immediately, I drew up and

introduced a bill, number 1439, of the Fifty-sixth Congress, and

had it referred to the Committee on Interstate Commerce. This bill

contained provisions substantially the same as were contained in

the Hepburn Bill which passed the Senate in 1906. And in addition

it was designed to give effect to the provisions of the original

act which had been nullified by judicial construction. I worked

my hardest to secure a favorable report of this bill. We had many

hearings; but the Committee on Interstate Commerce, far from being

in favor of favorably reporting the bill, were inclined to decline

to allow me to report it to the Senate at all. I insisted that I

would report it even though adversely, which I was finally permitted

to do. But when reported to the Senate I stated that I reported

it adversely because a majority of the committee were against it,

but that I favored the bill personally, and would do what I could

to secure its passage. This was in the year 1899.

It was not until seven years later that public sentiment was aroused

to such an extent that it was possible to secure the amendments to

the Act of 1887 which were embodied in Senate bill 1439.

I think it is only justice to myself to say--and I say it with much

regret--that there were two reasons why it was impossible to secure

at that time the report and passage of Senate bill 1439. First of

all, the Executive did not manifest any special interest in securing

additional railroad regulation. Secondly, the railroads themselves

had been very active in securing a change of the personnel of the

Committee on Interstate Commerce, and men had been elected to the

Senate and placed on that committee whose sympathies were in favor

of very conservative regulation, if any regulation at all. The

railroads had firmly determined to stop any further railroad

regulation. And finally, in the make-up of the Committee, a majority

of the Senators placed on the Committee on Interstate Commerce were

men whose sympathies were with the railroads.

But even with the personnel of the committee made up against me,

I have thought that had the late President McKinley given me the

active support which he could have given, I could have secured, in

1899, practically all the legislation that was secured six years

later. It is only justice to ex-President Roosevelt to say that

had it not been for his earnest advocacy of railroad rate regulation

the Hepburn Bill would never have been passed. With a chairman of

the Committee on Interstate Commerce well known for his conservatism

on the subject, with a majority of Republicans on the committee in

sympathy with him, without the arousing of public sentiment by

President Roosevelt, nothing would have been done.

I continued to take an exceptionally active part in railroad

regulation until I was placed at the head of the Foreign Relations

Committee of the Senate, and even afterwards I remained as the

ranking member, next to the Chairman, of the Committee on Interstate

Commerce, where I was glad to further as best I could such measures

as came before the Committee in the way of strengthening and giving

force to the original act.

I consented very reluctantly to leave the chairmanship of the

Committee on Interstate Commerce, where I had served during all my

term in the Senate, and I do not believe I would have done so had

it not been for the manner in which the committee was packed against

me in the interest of non-action. At the last it became so that

even the simplest measures which affected the railroads in the

slightest degree would receive adverse action or none at all. I

was utterly disgusted, and on several occasions told prominent

railroad men that if they continued such methods the time would

surely come when the people would become so aroused that they would

see enacted the most drastic of railroad rate laws.

I had much to do with the passage of the Hepburn Act of 1906.

After President Roosevelt had repeatedly urged it in his messages

to Congress, and privately brought influence to bear on Senators,

it seemed pretty certain that public sentiment demanded that

practically the amendments to the original act embodied in Senate

bill 1439, to which I have already referred, would sooner or later

have to be enacted into law. As usual, those opposed to such

legislation demanded that hearings be held, and the Committee on

Interstate Commerce was authorized to sit during the recess of

Congress and to hold hearings. Many weeks were consumed in these

hearings, and many volumes of testimony were taken. I do not

believe that I missed a session of the committee, and I tried as

best I could to bring forth from the numerous witnesses summoned

before the committee evidence to assist in securing the passage of

the amendments to the original act, which I then thought necessary

to perfect it.

I had expected to render what assistance I could during the next

session, which convened in December, in framing the bill in committee

and to assist in its passage in the Senate. But very unfortunately,

just at the beginning of the next session of Congress, when the

hearings were all concluded and the committee was prepared to go

into executive session to consider the bill itself, I was taken

ill and compelled to spend a couple of months in Florida to recover

my health. It may seem strange, but the fact is, that my absence

expedited the consideration of the bill by the committee and its

report to the Senate. I had telegraphed and written my late

colleague, Senator Dolliver, to record me as voting for the favorable

report of the bill from the committee to the Senate. It was expected

that the committee would have to hold many sessions to consider the

numerous amendments that had been offered. Senator Dolliver, at

one of the first meetings of the committee called to consider the

bill, read my telegram and letter asking to be voted in favor of

reporting the bill. Objection was made to recording me, and one

distinguished Senator raised the point respecting how I was to be

recorded on the question of amendments. Considerable controversy,

I understand, took place, and Senator Dolliver then moved to report

the bill to the Senate with the amendments already adopted in

committee. This closed the discussion in the committee; the vote

was taken, and the bill was ordered reported to the Senate, my vote

being recorded in the affirmative; after which Senator Aldrich, in

order to make it appear all the more ridiculous, moved that Senator

Tillman, a minority member of the committee, be authorized to report

the bill. This motion prevailed; Senator Tillman did report it,

and he had charge of its passage in the Senate. So, as I have

stated, my absence, through the controversy over counting my vote,

really expedited the bill through the committee.

I returned to my seat in the Senate in February, while the bill

was being considered, and assisted as best I could through conferences

with President Roosevelt and members of the Senate in agreeing on

sections of the bill which were in controversy, particularly the

court review section. I was also one of the conferees on the part

of the Senate that finally settled the differences between the two

Houses.

It was a very satisfactory bill, in the form in which it finally

became a law.

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