DISCUSSION

DR. JAMES J. PUTNAM, Boston: I am very much interested in Dr. Burrow's

paper and understand it as illustrating the argument brought forward by him

last night. As I remember the situation I do not quite see why this idea is

not essentially the same that has been endorsed by Freud and others. One's

interest in one's self is certainly in part the basis of homosexuality, and

this is intensified by the reflection from the mother.

DR. JOHN T. MAC CURDY, New York: When Dr. Burrow first brought up this

subject last year it struck me as being the most original theory in

psychoanalysis that had been formulated in this country and one of the most

important of all the additions to our general psychoanalytic concepts.

Personally, I found that it immediately solved certain problems which had

been in my mind for some time. I had never been able to see how it came

about that the alcoholic had a strong latent homosexuality. The ordinary

interpretations of drinking as a fellatoristic substitute has always seemed

unlikely, for, if this were so any liquid would serve the purpose, so why

alcohol? Now it is manifest that the alcoholic is an individual who is

taking a drug which dulls his sensibility. That is a way of retiring from

reality, of getting away from objectivity, retiring from what Dr. Burrow

calls the subjective phase. Now we understand why the patient in an acute

alcoholic hallucinosis almost invariably hears voices making homosexual

accusations. The unreality complex is translated into sexual terms and he is

accused of unreal love. I have been struck in dream analysis by the almost

constant coincidence in dreams of Mutterleib symbols in the same dream that

on analysis proved to be homosexual in principle. I can quote one dream

that demonstrates dramatically every point which Dr. Burrow makes in his

thesis. This patient, a man who was being treated for homosexual tendencies

which worried him a great deal, on one of the first days brought this dream.

He was a hospital interne. Someone came to him and said a nurse had cut

herself. He ran up to the surgical amphitheatre where preparations were made

to fix her wound. He suddenly discovered that his was the cut and that it

was on the ventral surface of the penis corresponding to the primitive

subincision operation. He took up a needle, sewed it up and put on a

bandage. At the end of the dream he wondered what was going to happen,

whether the bandage would come off or not. Any psychoanalyst can imagine

what the incision indicated, that it led directly to the idea of a vagina,

also to the idea of castration which is combined with that. The bandage led

to swaddling clothes. Here we have the whole situation rehearsed. The

associations went to the mother. The mother changes into himself. At the

same time he represents himself with a vagina and gives birth to a child,

his own penis which he can fondle as his mother did him.

DR. SMITH ELY JELLIFFE, New York: It seems to me the phrase identification

with the mother is very illuminating. I have no doubt that Dr. Burrow would

say that the failure to develop away from this primary identification lies

at the basis of what is called Narcissism. I have noted this identification

with the mother, i. e., with the female, in many patients. They are, in

ordinary life, after making a very hard fight with unconscious homosexual

trends and are managing themselves with great difficulty. This shows

particularly in the analysis of alcoholics especially of periodic types.

Self-fertilization is a frequent symbol in the unconscious. In males,

particularly, the identification with the mother is a frequent factor and

often explains the value of the instinctively sought relief through narcosis

and withdrawal from the conflict. Male hysterias also show it markedly. The

aggression towards the father is a frequent female symbolization in hysteria

as well.

DR. TRIGANT BURROW, Baltimore: It seems to me that the President's

reference to this heterosexual instance need not necessarily be heterosexual

in a psychological sense. It is important to recognize that though the

object of the male in a particular case be a woman, yet psychologically this

need not be a heterosexual adaptation. In the case I have cited the

relation of the patient to his wife is psychologically a homosexual one. We

have seen in this case the presence of a profound neurosis and coexistent

with it an apparently normal sexual life. This we know from the Freudian

standpoint is impossible. The heterosexual adaptation is but apparent.

DR. TRIGANT BURROW, Baltimore: In regard to Dr Putnam's comment that my

thesis contains what has been said already by Freud. Undoubtedly to a large

extent it has. There is, though, some modification here which seems to me of

importance, if only in the way of an extension of Freud's original

conception. One gets a very clear idea from Brill's excellent paper on

homosexuality of Freud's essential thesis. Here the idea of homosexuality is

that of a revulsion from the mother. The child is assumed to adapt itself

as the mother in order to get rid of the mother as object. This first

hypothesis related only to the male child. To explain homosexuality in the

female, either an analogous mechanism must be assumed, according to which

the female child adopts homosexuality to escape the father image, and

analysis does not bear out this explanation; or, assuming the same reaction

in respect to the mother in the female as in the male, the result would

entail not homosexuality but a heightened heterosexuality. I think the

formulation I have here advanced offers us a distinct advantage in placing

the causative factor in homosexuality in either sex upon an identical

genetic basis.

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