Mr. CRAFARD. No; but I don’t believe he had ever----

Mr. GRIFFIN. Was it his camera?

Mr. CRAFARD. It was his camera. I don’t believe he had ever took any

patience to learn how to reload it. They can be quite complicated to

reload if you don’t know how to do it.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you have to reload after every shot?

Mr. CRAFARD. No.

Mr. GRIFFIN. How much film did you have on there?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it was four pictures.

Mr. GRIFFIN. That you took?

Mr. CRAFARD. There was three pictures on it that I took. We thought

there was four, and there was only three of them.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And you didn’t have to reload then, did you?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; I didn’t reload.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What did you all talk about when you drove out there?

Mr. CRAFARD. They were talking about this Earl Warren sign and a hate

ad that Ruby had saw in the paper.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What was Jack saying about it?

Mr. CRAFARD. It was something about the similarity of the numbers and

the addresses of the two.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What was Senator saying about it?

Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall what Senator said.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you get some idea of what the purpose was, why Jack

was concerned about this?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; I was completely in the dark about it. Something, I

believe, was said about the sign of “Impeach Earl Warren,” business

being done by maybe the Birch Society or something like that.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What did Jack have to say about the Birch Society?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it was either Jack or Senator said something

about this sign, the “Impeach Earl Warren” sign being--having something

to do with the “Birchites,” or something like that.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What were they going to do with this?

Mr. CRAFARD. I have no idea.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack say anything to you about what he had been doing

the rest of the day?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; that was early in the morning when we took the

pictures.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And you hadn’t seen him for probably 12 hours?

Mr. CRAFARD. Something like that.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Before that, and in the 12 hours that he had been gone,

did he indicate or he or Senator indicate at all what had gone on?

Mr. CRAFARD. Something had been said about Jack not having gotten any

sleep.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack indicate that he was doing this for anybody else,

taking these pictures?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; he didn’t give any indication about that fact.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Senator indicate what he had been doing that day?

Mr. CRAFARD. No.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What was your attitude after you went out there on this

picture-taking enterprise?

Mr. CRAFARD. Well, it was just something he wanted done. It meant no

more to me than taking a picture at the club, actually, except I was

kind of curious as to what the devil it was all about.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ask him?

Mr. CRAFARD. Something, they were talking about the “Impeach Earl

Warren” sign. I made some suggestion about a box number, “Write for

free information”; I made some suggestion about maybe writing for free

information and finding out what I had come back, as I can recall.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What happened?

Mr. CRAFARD. Nothing more was said about that.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Was the box number written down or anything?

Mr. CRAFARD. The box number was on the photograph, that is all.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Was there a name on this, in addition to the box number,

was there a name to anybody that you should write to?

Mr. CRAFARD. I think it was just “Impeach Earl Warren Committee” or

something like that. I am not sure.

Mr. GRIFFIN. You don’t remember?

Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Go ahead. You were going to say something else.

Mr. CRAFARD. I was going to say either that or it was an organization

in Massachusetts somewhere or something that you had to write to. I

know the sign had been printed in, I believe, Massachusetts.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What conversation did you have about this sign after you

drove back?

Mr. CRAFARD. After going back in, we had coffee, and they said

something about going down to the post office and checking this box

number to see if they could find out who had the box or something, and

they let me off at the Carousel. That was the last I saw of them.

Mr. GRIFFIN. You mentioned in connection with that telephone call that

you had had, the 3-hour telephone conversation with that girl----

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. You thought there were some people in the background.

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And you indicated you thought they might have been

teenagers or something.

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Was there something particular about the voices and so

forth that made you think it was teenagers?

Mr. CRAFARD. Well, some of the giggles I heard were kind of silly, like

some silly giggle that some of the young teenage girls would do or

make.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Was there anybody telling this girl to get off the phone?

Mr. CRAFARD. No.

Mr. GRIFFIN. You also said something about the conversation was almost

like you had known this girl.

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; it was. It was just the way we talked--I mean.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did she sound like she knew things about you?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; but it was like people that has known each other for

a little while trying to get to know each other when talking, talking

about their hobbies and things they like and things they didn’t like,

and such as that. It wasn’t like two people who had just started

talking over the telephone.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Was the voice one that you had ever recognized at all?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; the voice meant nothing to me.

Mr. GRIFFIN. I think you mentioned that Little Lynn called on Friday

night sometime.

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. When was it that you think she called?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe--I said I believe it was 9 or 9:30, I believed

it was.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What was it that she said when she called?

Mr. CRAFARD. She wanted to get ahold of Jack, it was urgent or

something to that effect.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And did she indicate she knew the club had been closed?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; she knew the club had been closed.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And at that time did she know how long it was going to be

closed?

Mr. CRAFARD. Not that I know of.

Mr. GRIFFIN. You mean that you just don’t know or that you have the

impression she didn’t know?

Mr. CRAFARD. I had the impression she didn’t know any more about it

than I knew.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What was your impression?

Mr. CRAFARD. That we would be closed Friday and Saturday.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Friday and Saturday. So her--when was this decision to

close Friday and Saturday, when was that made?

Mr. CRAFARD. Friday afternoon.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And that was made before Andy began to make the telephone

calls?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. So that anybody who had been called by Andy would have

known that the club was going to be closed Friday and Saturday night?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember closing the club on Thursday night?

Mr. CRAFARD. On Thursday night?

Mr. GRIFFIN. Thursday night is the night before the assassination.

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; we closed at the regular time, the usual time, 2:30

or 3 o’clock.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What was done with the money that night?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe Jack had it with him.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, Friday morning was there any money in the safe when

you woke up, Friday morning?

Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t know.

Mr. GRIFFIN. There was no money taken into the Carousel Club after

Thursday night, was there?

Mr. CRAFARD. No.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, you indicated before that Jack had the practice of

depositing his money in the bank.

Mr. CRAFARD. As far as I know; yes. That is what I figure he was doing

anyway, was depositing.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you have any information he was doing that?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; I did not know definite, but that was what I figured

he was doing, keep it with him, and then every 2 or 3 days he said he

would go to the bank or something.

Mr. GRIFFIN. This North American Drilling Co., do you know anything

about the people who manage that?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; all I know about it is originally it was the old

McClure Drilling Co. and the old Union Drilling Co. combined together

to form the North American Drilling Co.

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