Mr. HUBERT. It was suggested to you that it might have been one of the
people you identified as, earlier in this deposition as, having come
from California and as having come in to see Ruby on several occasions,
and to sit down and chat for a little while and then he would go off
with them. Do you remember that testimony?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, is that man seated at the table as described by me a
moment ago possibly one of those men?
Mr. CRAFARD. It could possibly be, yes.
Mr. HUBERT. What is it about him that refreshes your memory so that you
are able to say that he could possibly be that man from California?
Mr. CRAFARD. Mostly his face; his facial features mostly.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Larry, did Jack Ruby know your full name?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How did he know you?
Mr. CRAFARD. As Larry.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he know your last name at all?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t believe so. I don’t recall telling him. I did--I
told him my last name when that letter came in from my cousin in
Michigan, and he gave it to me.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How did Eva Grant know where to look for you?
Mr. CRAFARD. I am not sure except for the fact, like I say, I had left
an envelope with my cousin’s address at the Carousel.
Mr. HUBERT. Andy knew your last name, didn’t he?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How did Andy come to learn your last name?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe on this same occasion with the letter.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I asked you about the show “How Hollywood Makes Movies.”
What kind of a show was that?
Mr. CRAFARD. That was, it showed a few of the different tricks and
stunts that was used in moviemaking process, such as shooting a mirror
without breaking the mirror, or shooting a glass off the bar counter,
and how they broke a chair over a man’s head and how a chair or table
broke when a man was knocked into it, such as that.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How many actors did they have in this show?
Mr. CRAFARD. There was, I believe, six Hollywood personnel all together.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did the show last in terms of each performance?
Mr. CRAFARD. The show was approximately about 45 minutes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How much did they charge for admission?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe they was charging 75 cents, if I remember.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who conceived of the show?
Mr. CRAFARD. As far as I know, from what I knew of it, it was Craven
and Miles.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What do you know about Craven, what was his background?
Mr. CRAFARD. All I know he come from Hollywood, was supposed to be some
producer from Hollywood.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And how about the Miles fellow?
Mr. CRAFARD. Deke Miles, as far as I know, was a director from
Hollywood, a Hollywood director.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How did you happen to decide to go to Dallas, Tex., in the
fall of 1963?
Mr. CRAFARD. Because I knew there was one of the biggest fairs in the
country held in Dallas, Tex., and I had some friends working over at
Dallas, Tex., and I figured this would be as good a place to get a job
with a carnival as anywhere.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How did you happen to go to Dallas the first time you
moved there the year before?
Mr. CRAFARD. I was going there to have a reconciliation with my wife.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And you stayed about 3 months; is that it?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; about that.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you live with her at that time?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where did you live?
Mr. CRAFARD. Letot Trailer Park on Lombardy Lane.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did one of you own a house trailer?
Mr. CRAFARD. We rented a house trailer.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you drive an automobile?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When Ruby bought the lumber from the dance-band show that
closed, what was he going to use that lumber for?
Mr. CRAFARD. Remodeling on the inside of his Carousel Club.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he use it for that purpose?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What did he do with the lumber?
Mr. CRAFARD. He stored it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where did he store it?
Mr. CRAFARD. Downstairs below the Carousel Club.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he make any effort to remodel?
Mr. CRAFARD. He was doing some remodelling while I was there, building
a cloakroom. That was about all that was being done, building a
cloakroom, while I was there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was Jack Ruby ever away from his Carousel all day?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember a day that I didn’t see him at least once
during the day.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You do?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t, I say. I don’t remember a day.
Mr. GRIFFIN. But ordinarily Jack would come about 11:30 in the
morning----
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.