Mr. CRAFARD. From Mount Pleasant to Clare.
Mr. HUBERT. No; I’m talking about the run to Mount Pleasant.
Mr. GRIFFIN. From Lansing to Mount Pleasant.
Mr. HUBERT. A point outside of Lansing to Mount Pleasant. That is about
a 4-hour run, you say.
Mr. CRAFARD. At the most, from Lansing to Clare.
Mr. HUBERT. That last long hitch was about a 4-hour hitch?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; the last long ride was maybe 2½ hours.
Mr. HUBERT. 2½ hours?
Mr. CRAFARD. Or 3 hours.
Mr. HUBERT. And that was the man who brought you into Mount Pleasant?
Mr. CRAFARD. Mount Pleasant.
Mr. HUBERT. Therefore, if you got to Mount Pleasant about 8, he must
have picked you up about 5 in the afternoon.
Mr. CRAFARD. It must have been.
Mr. HUBERT. Then there is some mistake in timing of about 12 hours.
Mr. CRAFARD. That is what I was saying. I’ve lost some time there.
Mr. HUBERT. Perhaps it needs a little clarifying. Let me touch on
another point.
Mr. CRAFARD. It seems to me I got mixed up on my routes going out of
Oklahoma City.
Mr. HUBERT. Think about it a moment and let me touch upon something
else before we go back to it. I think you said that you heard that Ruby
had done this on the morning of the 25th.
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, could you tell us how you heard it? Did you hear it by
newspaper, radio, television, or what?
Mr. CRAFARD. I’m not sure whether it was over the radio or whether I
saw it in the newspaper.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, that must have made a terrific impact on you, because,
after all, that was your boss.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. So I suggest that if you will just put your mind to it,
you can tell us pretty well how it was and where it was. Was it in a
restaurant or an automobile?
Mr. CRAFARD. I think I saw it in the newspaper, saw something about
Oswald and then the assassination or something like that, and then I
read the rest of it.
Mr. HUBERT. You bought a newspaper?
Mr. CRAFARD. I think so. I must have.
Mr. HUBERT. Didn’t you keep it?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; I don’t believe so because I didn’t have one with me
when I got into Clare.
Mr. HUBERT. And it was morning?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; it must have been. It was about 8 in the morning.
Mr. HUBERT. 8 in the morning?
Mr. CRAFARD. About that, somewhere.
Mr. HUBERT. Were you with anybody, do you know?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe I was walking through a small town.
Mr. HUBERT. What was your reaction to it?
Mr. CRAFARD. It was pretty hard to believe.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you tell anybody about it?
Mr. CRAFARD. I think something was said to somebody I was riding with
about it or something. Somebody picked me up shortly after I saw it,
somebody I was riding with, and we had stopped in a cafe or something.
I am pretty sure I discussed it with the person I was riding with.
Mr. HUBERT. You are pretty sure now?
Mr. CRAFARD. The fact that I stated to him that it seemed almost
impossible to believe. It seemed to be awfully hard to believe it.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you tell that person that you knew him?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you tell that person that you had started to hitchhike
up?
Mr. CRAFARD. I told him I had worked for him, that I had left the day
after Kennedy was shot, coming up from Texas.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What did he say?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall.
Mr. HUBERT. Were you with that person very long? Was he the one, for
example, who took you into Mount Pleasant?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; I don’t believe so.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, let me see. I think you have refreshed your memory to
some extent. You tell us now you are quite sure it was a newspaper.
Mr. CRAFARD. I am pretty sure it was.
Mr. HUBERT. That gave you the first information.
Mr. CRAFARD. I still think that--I’m almost positive I got mixed up on
my routes in Oklahoma City somewhere, or just out of Oklahoma City.
Mr. HUBERT. We will try to straighten out that route business a little
later. You are quite clear that you arrived at Clare, Mich., about 9
o’clock?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. HUBERT. Was that your destination from the start?
Mr. CRAFARD. My main destination was about Kalkaska, Mich.
Mr. HUBERT. How far is that from Clare?
Mr. CRAFARD. It is about 3 hours running.
Mr. HUBERT. Where did you stop on the night of the 25th, about 9
o’clock, at Clare?
Mr. CRAFARD. I stayed at my cousin’s at Clare.
Mr. HUBERT. What is your cousin’s name?
Mr. CRAFARD. Clifford Roberts.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember the address?
Mr. CRAFARD. 307 East Seventh Street.
Mr. HUBERT. Were they expecting you?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. HUBERT. How long since you last saw them?
Mr. CRAFARD. At the time it had been, I think it had been, several
years since I saw him at that time.
Mr. HUBERT. How did you know they were there?
Mr. CRAFARD. They wrote to my folks while I was living in Dallas, Oreg.