Mr. CRAFARD. Other than maybe telling me it was all right to go or
something.
Mr. HUBERT. That is what I was wondering. Did he express any consent or
disapproval?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall what he said.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he mention what he was going to do about watching it?
Mr. CRAFARD. Not that I recall.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you tell him where you were going to watch it, yourself?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
(Discussion off the record.)
Mr. HUBERT. You recall, of course, the day that the President was shot.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you recall the night before that, which would have been
Thursday night?
Mr. CRAFARD. As far as I can recall it was more or less a general night
for the club.
Mr. HUBERT. Were there any special preparations by way of preparing for
a larger crowd or for some program in connection with the President’s
visit?
Mr. CRAFARD. Not that I can recall.
Mr. HUBERT. In other words, the night prior to the President’s visit
was a routine night?
Mr. CRAFARD. As far as I can recall.
Mr. HUBERT. I suppose you have put your mind to it since, particularly
at the time it happened, because most people did, you know. They relate
that historic event to their own lives and reconstruct what they were
doing before and afterwards.
Did you do that? Have you ever done that?
Mr. CRAFARD. I have tried to think of what I was doing before, the
night before, a couple nights before, or something like that. I don’t
recall anything out of the ordinary.
Mr. HUBERT. If it was the ordinary, then I suppose it would have been
that the club were closed up at its usual hour.
Mr. CRAFARD. As far as I recall, yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And you were still sleeping there?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; I was still sleeping there.
Mr. HUBERT. So you would have gone to sleep?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. And then I suppose Ruby would have wakened you?
Mr. CRAFARD. Andy woke me that morning. He come in early. Andy always
put the beer in and he come in early to do that so that he could have
the rest of the day off.
Mr. HUBERT. What time did Andy come in?
Mr. CRAFARD. I think it was about 9:30 or something like that.
Mr. HUBERT. Came in personally?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. He was there when the President was shot.
Mr. HUBERT. Were you asleep when he came in?
Mr. CRAFARD. I was asleep when he came in.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you waken up when he came in?
Mr. CRAFARD. I didn’t wake up--Andy woke me up and told me that the
President had been shot.
Mr. HUBERT. That was much later in the day, wasn’t it?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so.
Mr. HUBERT. About 12:30?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Weren’t you suppose to be doing your cleaning-up job?
Mr. CRAFARD. Ordinarily if I had been up, I would have been cleaning
up; yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Ordinarily he would have awakened you when he came in,
wouldn’t he?
Mr. CRAFARD. Andy, when he came in he should have woke me up. I guess
he said he had called me or something and I hadn’t woke up, I hadn’t
got up or something.
Mr. HUBERT. Didn’t he know you wanted to go and see the parade?
Mr. CRAFARD. He knew I said something about it. I don’t know, I think
maybe he had been down and saw us--down to see some of it or something
and then come back to the club or something.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t leave word for anyone to call you to see the
parade?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Wasn’t it unusual for you to sleep that length of time?
Mr. CRAFARD. Not if I was tired and they didn’t call me, I’d sleep if
they didn’t call me.
Mr. HUBERT. Have you ever done that before?
Mr. CRAFARD. I’ve seen the time when I went to sleep and slept 14 or 15
hours.
Mr. HUBERT. No, I am talking about while you were at the club.
Mr. CRAFARD. At the club a couple times I slept until 1:30 or 2 o’clock
in the afternoon before somebody woke me up.
Mr. HUBERT. You had made no plans yourself to anticipate going to see
the President?
Mr. CRAFARD. Not definite plans except if I got up I figured I’d go
down and see it.
Mr. HUBERT. And you intended to get up?
Mr. CRAFARD. I figured I’d wake up. I didn’t wake up.
Mr. HUBERT. What time did you go to bed, do you know?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t know, about 2:30 or 3 o’clock, or something.
Mr. HUBERT. You slept clean around until 12:30 or after?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. How do you know Andy came in earlier?
Mr. CRAFARD. The beer was all taken care of, so I figured he had been
in the club.
Mr. HUBERT. You are not sure It was Andy that did that, then?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Put the beer on?
Mr. CRAFARD. Andy said something about doing it, he had done it
earlier, or something.
Mr. HUBERT. Was the beer normally delivered at a regular time?
Mr. CRAFARD. We had the beer delivered 2 days a week. Andy come in
every day and put the beer in the cooler.
Mr. HUBERT. Where was the beer delivered?
Mr. CRAFARD. It was delivered upstairs when it was delivered.
Mr. HUBERT. Did somebody have to receive it?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. When was it delivered that day, do you know?
Mr. CRAFARD. It was delivered on Tuesdays and Saturdays, I believe it
was.
Mr. HUBERT. It wasn’t delivered on this day, then?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, but he come up to put more beer in the cooler.
Mr. HUBERT. That was his job?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. He done that all the time.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t have anything to do with it?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where would he carry the beer from, from what place to
where?
Mr. CRAFARD. It would come in the front door of the club, there was a
hallway off to the side here and come on over here and made an L. My
room was here and he’d get the beer over here and take it out.
Mr. HUBERT. He had to pass your room?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. HUBERT. He had to pass by it?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. He would come in the back of the club where the beer was
stored?
Mr. CRAFARD. Probably he’d come in the front door and go up here and
get the beer. My room was down here on this corner, and he would get
the beer here.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you leave the door open or closed?
Mr. CRAFARD. My door was closed.
Mr. HUBERT. Why was it closed?
Mr. CRAFARD. I closed it all the time.
Mr. HUBERT. Weren’t you supposed to be sort of on guard, as it were, in
addition to doing the job around there, that is part of your job having
someone on the premises?
Mr. CRAFARD. I just figured having me sleep there, I guess. He never
said anything to me about it.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he ever awaken you oh other days when he brought the
beer?
Mr. CRAFARD. If Andy came in when I was still in bed he’d usually wake
me up, yes.
Mr. HUBERT. But he did not this morning?
Mr. CRAFARD. He said he called me but I hadn’t woke up.
Mr. HUBERT. He called you by telephone or in person?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t know whether he called me by telephone, he said he
tried to call me by telephone or called me when he come to the club or
what.
Mr. HUBERT. If he called you by telephone where would the telephone
have been in reference to your room?
Mr. CRAFARD. In the room next to my room.
Mr. HUBERT. Could you hear it?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Had you ever been awakened before by it?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, several times.
Mr. HUBERT. There is no doubt then that if he had called you by
telephone it would have awakened you?
Mr. CRAFARD. More likely I figured it would have, yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Of course if he had tried to wake you by calling you, just
through the door, that would have awakened you, I assume.
Mr. CRAFARD. I might have roused up, spoke to him and answered him and
then got back down without even knowing it.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember that?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember it. I say I might have.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When did he tell you that he called you?
Mr. CRAFARD. It was shortly after he did wake me up.
Mr. HUBERT. How did he wake you up?
Mr. CRAFARD. He come in there and he had his radio up real loud when he
come in there and he told me the President had been shot.
Mr. HUBERT. And that was at what time?
Mr. CRAFARD. He called me two or three times. It was just after the
President had been shot.
Mr. HUBERT. How many times did he call you? You said two or three times?
Mr. CRAFARD. He called me two or three times at that time when he woke
me up there he called me two or three times.
Mr. HUBERT. How do you know that?
Mr. CRAFARD. He said so.
Mr. HUBERT. You don’t recall it two or three times?
Mr. CRAFARD. I recall hearing him call me twice that I know of right
then.
Mr. HUBERT. And then that aroused you?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Had you been drinking the night before?
Mr. CRAFARD. Not that I recall.
Mr. HUBERT. What I am trying to get at, Larry, is why it was so
difficult to wake you that morning.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; I can understand that.
Mr. HUBERT. Have you any explanation for it?
Mr. CRAFARD. None that I can think of except that I probably was a
little tired, except a little tired from the night before when I went
to bed.
Mr. HUBERT. You do recall that?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; I went to bed and went right to sleep. I didn’t lie
awake very long.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you normally lay awake sometimes?
Mr. CRAFARD. I normally lay awake anywhere from an hour and a half to 2
hours.
Mr. HUBERT. But this particular night you did not?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. HUBERT. You weren’t drinking?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, not that I can recall.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you drink much?
Mr. CRAFARD. Very seldom. I drank, I think, three or four different
times while I was there that I drank a beer or two, that was all.
Mr. HUBERT. So that your heavy sleep on the morning of the 22d couldn’t
be attributed to the fact that you had a hangover?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Or that you were suffering from any overindulgence in
alcohol?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. You don’t take any kind of sleeping pills or anything like
that?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. So this was just normal sleep?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And his call failed to wake you?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. HUBERT. What did he tell you when he first came in?
Mr. CRAFARD. The first thing he said was President Kennedy had been
shot. He said, “The President has been shot.” I wouldn’t hardly believe
him.
Mr. HUBERT. What did you do?
Mr. CRAFARD. Immediately we went in and turned the television on. He
had his radio going and I turned the television on and listened to
his radio and then we had to turn the television up real loud where
we could hear it. We were more interested in what was said than the
pictures they was showing or anything like that.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember what time it was?