Mr. GRIFFIN. What was the company that----

Mr. CRAFARD. He dealt with the different companies, one being the Pearl

Beer, each different brand of beer had different distributors.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Had its own distributors?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. How about liquor, did he buy hard liquor?

Mr. CRAFARD. No, there was no hard liquor sold in the club.

Mr. GRIFFIN. So his only purchases were beer?

Mr. CRAFARD. Beer, coke and champagne.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Who did he buy that from?

Mr. CRAFARD. Most of that was bought to my knowledge from the liquor

store on the corner. I believe it was Segalis.

Mr. GRIFFIN. How much champagne would he stock any one time?

Mr. CRAFARD. When he bought champagne he would usually buy a case of 12

bottles and it would usually average about two cases a week.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did they serve food?

Mr. CRAFARD. The only food we served was pizzas.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Was pizzas?

Mr. CRAFARD. Pizzas.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Were those made at the Carousel or were they sent out from

those----

Mr. CRAFARD. We got those from Palumbo’s Pizza House. All you had to do

was stick them in a warmer and warm them up.

Mr. GRIFFIN. So his only expenses--tell me if you can think of any

other expenses besides the one I recite here. He had the expenses of

his entertainers, he had expenses for you and Andy Armstrong, he had

rent and heat and light, and he had beer and pizza. Did he have any

other expenses that you can think of?

Mr. CRAFARD. Not that I would say would be Carousel business expenses,

no. He had a lot of sinking money into things all the time.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What sort of things were those?

Mr. CRAFARD. Well, he was putting quite a bit of money into this twist

board exerciser that he was promoting.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he have any other promotions besides the twist board

while you were with him?

Mr. CRAFARD. Not that I recall. He would buy records and he had to buy

flashbulbs and film for the camera. He took Polaroid pictures every

night, three of them each night.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Three Polaroid pictures each night?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; we had one girl who was, I believe it was Tammi True,

would get on the stage and she would get a guy up there with her on the

stage and take a picture of them and give the picture of the man, that

was the only photograph taken and that would go right to the man.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, what other business, you say he was always sinking

money into things.

Mr. CRAFARD. Well, he had the Vegas Club and from what I understand he

was taking money from the Vegas Club to keep the Carousel Club from

what I understood which I never could figure out.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Why couldn’t you figure that out?

Mr. CRAFARD. Well, we always made enough to clear our bills, the

Carousel made enough to clear the bills.

Mr. GRIFFIN. By the bills you include the salaries of the entertainers?

Mr. CRAFARD. Most of that, yes. He was paying pretty good salaries.

These girls got anywhere from $300 to $400, maybe $400, $500 a week for

their entertaining.

Mr. GRIFFIN. They all didn’t get that much.

Mr. CRAFARD. The entertainers, got anywhere from $300 to $500, $600

average, different.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Was that just the featured stripper or was that each

stripper?

Mr. CRAFARD. Jada was there, I believe, she was drawing $700 a month

and the other girls I think was drawing between $300 and $500,

somewhere between $300 and $500.

Mr. GRIFFIN. A month?

Mr. CRAFARD. A month.

Mr. GRIFFIN. A month. How about “Little” Lynn when she came to work

there, was she getting paid the same as the rest of them?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so, I am not sure. I don’t know what her wages

were, I am not sure, positive about it.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Other than the twist boards and the Carousel and the Vegas

Club what other things was Jack putting money into?

Mr. CRAFARD. To my knowledge that is all he had. He never seemed to

have any. He always claimed he was going broke all the time.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Was he actually selling these twist boards?

Mr. CRAFARD. He had never had made any sales while I was with him.

Mr. HUBERT. Before you get into this, let me finish up this financial

operation. I don’t think you have mentioned what the waitresses got.

Mr. CRAFARD. The waitresses worked on tips.

Mr. HUBERT. Purely? There was no expense in connection with that?

Mr. CRAFARD. To my knowledge, no.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you know if Armstrong got any salary?

Mr. CRAFARD. He got a salary.

Mr. HUBERT. How much was it?

Mr. CRAFARD. I am not sure. I think he was drawing about $300 a month,

I am not sure.

Mr. HUBERT. Then there was a man Howard, the maintenance man.

Mr. CRAFARD. Howard just got paid, whenever he worked he would get

paid, I think a dollar an hour. He didn’t work all the time. He might

only get 4 or 5 hours a week.

Mr. GRIFFIN. How much would you estimate in a typical week Ruby took in?

Mr. CRAFARD. In a typical week it would be anywhere from one to three

thousand.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know where these twist boards were manufactured?

Mr. CRAFARD. They were manufactured in Houston--Fort Worth, I mean.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What was the name of the company?

Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall the name of the company. I had it wrote

down in my notebook but I don’t recall the name of it.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember the name of a company called Plastolite

Engineering?

Mr. CRAFARD. I remember something about it.

Mr. GRIFFIN. But that wasn’t the name of the company that was

manufacturing the twist boards?

Mr. CRAFARD. It might have been, I am not sure.

Mr. GRIFFIN. How was Jack trying to sell these twist boards?

Mr. CRAFARD. Like I say, he promoted them out at the fair--State Fair,

and he had a couple of different stores promoting them, and he had----

Mr. GRIFFIN. You mean they would be on display some place?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. And there was some set up, where some of the

strippers went out to one place and done the twist on these twist

exercisers.

Mr. GRIFFIN. But to your knowledge he never made a sale on one?

Mr. CRAFARD. Not to my knowledge.

Mr. GRIFFIN. How much would one cost, if you wanted to buy it?

Mr. CRAFARD. The way he was selling them I believe it was two

something. They were selling them in Texas but it was Penney’s, I

believe it was Penney’s store was selling them.

Mr. GRIFFIN. In Texas, you mean in Dallas?

Mr. CRAFARD. In Dallas. They were selling them for $3.95 apiece, I

think it was and he was selling his for $2.95 apiece.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack have anybody else associated with him in these

twist boards?

Mr. CRAFARD. He was trying to get his one brother to do something with

them, and I believe it was in Chicago.

Mr. GRIFFIN. That would have been Hyman?

Mr. CRAFARD. How is that?

Mr. GRIFFIN. That would have been Hyman in Chicago?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it was “Hy,” yes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. How do you know he was trying to get “Hy” interested in it?

Mr. CRAFARD. He had me send some to him.

Mr. HUBERT. I gather from what you have testified to that you have been

around carnivals and you have met a lot of people, and also I think

you said that you form an impression of an individual pretty quickly

and have found in your own experience you have only been wrong once, I

think.

Mr. CRAFARD. I have been wrong twice that I can recall.

Mr. HUBERT. I would like you to tell us what your impression was of

Ruby, and if you can, give us some factual examples and reasons, you

know.

Mr. CRAFARD. Well, first he was a kind of a likable person. He was kind

of impressable. I mean he impressed me somewhat. I had one instant

feeling, I can’t recollect, more or less the way he talked and his

actions that the man might be somewhat queer.

Mr. HUBERT. When you say “queer” you mean what?

Mr. CRAFARD. As the general usage of the term.

Mr. HUBERT. You mean homosexual?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. What caused you to feel that?

Mr. CRAFARD. The way he talked and his general action.

Mr. HUBERT. Was he effeminate in his method of speaking?

Mr. CRAFARD. More or less.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he have a lisp?

Mr. CRAFARD. Not that I recall.

Mr. HUBERT. What other physical actions that you observed that you

think support or supported your view that he might be homosexual?

Mr. CRAFARD. Well, mostly just the way he talked and mostly the way he

walked.

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