Mr. CRAFARD. He dealt with the different companies, one being the Pearl
Beer, each different brand of beer had different distributors.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Had its own distributors?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about liquor, did he buy hard liquor?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, there was no hard liquor sold in the club.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So his only purchases were beer?
Mr. CRAFARD. Beer, coke and champagne.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who did he buy that from?
Mr. CRAFARD. Most of that was bought to my knowledge from the liquor
store on the corner. I believe it was Segalis.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How much champagne would he stock any one time?
Mr. CRAFARD. When he bought champagne he would usually buy a case of 12
bottles and it would usually average about two cases a week.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did they serve food?
Mr. CRAFARD. The only food we served was pizzas.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was pizzas?
Mr. CRAFARD. Pizzas.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were those made at the Carousel or were they sent out from
those----
Mr. CRAFARD. We got those from Palumbo’s Pizza House. All you had to do
was stick them in a warmer and warm them up.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So his only expenses--tell me if you can think of any
other expenses besides the one I recite here. He had the expenses of
his entertainers, he had expenses for you and Andy Armstrong, he had
rent and heat and light, and he had beer and pizza. Did he have any
other expenses that you can think of?
Mr. CRAFARD. Not that I would say would be Carousel business expenses,
no. He had a lot of sinking money into things all the time.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What sort of things were those?
Mr. CRAFARD. Well, he was putting quite a bit of money into this twist
board exerciser that he was promoting.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he have any other promotions besides the twist board
while you were with him?
Mr. CRAFARD. Not that I recall. He would buy records and he had to buy
flashbulbs and film for the camera. He took Polaroid pictures every
night, three of them each night.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Three Polaroid pictures each night?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; we had one girl who was, I believe it was Tammi True,
would get on the stage and she would get a guy up there with her on the
stage and take a picture of them and give the picture of the man, that
was the only photograph taken and that would go right to the man.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, what other business, you say he was always sinking
money into things.
Mr. CRAFARD. Well, he had the Vegas Club and from what I understand he
was taking money from the Vegas Club to keep the Carousel Club from
what I understood which I never could figure out.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Why couldn’t you figure that out?
Mr. CRAFARD. Well, we always made enough to clear our bills, the
Carousel made enough to clear the bills.
Mr. GRIFFIN. By the bills you include the salaries of the entertainers?
Mr. CRAFARD. Most of that, yes. He was paying pretty good salaries.
These girls got anywhere from $300 to $400, maybe $400, $500 a week for
their entertaining.
Mr. GRIFFIN. They all didn’t get that much.
Mr. CRAFARD. The entertainers, got anywhere from $300 to $500, $600
average, different.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was that just the featured stripper or was that each
stripper?
Mr. CRAFARD. Jada was there, I believe, she was drawing $700 a month
and the other girls I think was drawing between $300 and $500,
somewhere between $300 and $500.
Mr. GRIFFIN. A month?
Mr. CRAFARD. A month.
Mr. GRIFFIN. A month. How about “Little” Lynn when she came to work
there, was she getting paid the same as the rest of them?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so, I am not sure. I don’t know what her wages
were, I am not sure, positive about it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Other than the twist boards and the Carousel and the Vegas
Club what other things was Jack putting money into?
Mr. CRAFARD. To my knowledge that is all he had. He never seemed to
have any. He always claimed he was going broke all the time.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was he actually selling these twist boards?
Mr. CRAFARD. He had never had made any sales while I was with him.
Mr. HUBERT. Before you get into this, let me finish up this financial
operation. I don’t think you have mentioned what the waitresses got.
Mr. CRAFARD. The waitresses worked on tips.
Mr. HUBERT. Purely? There was no expense in connection with that?
Mr. CRAFARD. To my knowledge, no.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know if Armstrong got any salary?
Mr. CRAFARD. He got a salary.
Mr. HUBERT. How much was it?
Mr. CRAFARD. I am not sure. I think he was drawing about $300 a month,
I am not sure.
Mr. HUBERT. Then there was a man Howard, the maintenance man.
Mr. CRAFARD. Howard just got paid, whenever he worked he would get
paid, I think a dollar an hour. He didn’t work all the time. He might
only get 4 or 5 hours a week.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How much would you estimate in a typical week Ruby took in?
Mr. CRAFARD. In a typical week it would be anywhere from one to three
thousand.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know where these twist boards were manufactured?
Mr. CRAFARD. They were manufactured in Houston--Fort Worth, I mean.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What was the name of the company?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall the name of the company. I had it wrote
down in my notebook but I don’t recall the name of it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember the name of a company called Plastolite
Engineering?
Mr. CRAFARD. I remember something about it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. But that wasn’t the name of the company that was
manufacturing the twist boards?
Mr. CRAFARD. It might have been, I am not sure.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How was Jack trying to sell these twist boards?
Mr. CRAFARD. Like I say, he promoted them out at the fair--State Fair,
and he had a couple of different stores promoting them, and he had----
Mr. GRIFFIN. You mean they would be on display some place?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. And there was some set up, where some of the
strippers went out to one place and done the twist on these twist
exercisers.
Mr. GRIFFIN. But to your knowledge he never made a sale on one?
Mr. CRAFARD. Not to my knowledge.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How much would one cost, if you wanted to buy it?
Mr. CRAFARD. The way he was selling them I believe it was two
something. They were selling them in Texas but it was Penney’s, I
believe it was Penney’s store was selling them.
Mr. GRIFFIN. In Texas, you mean in Dallas?
Mr. CRAFARD. In Dallas. They were selling them for $3.95 apiece, I
think it was and he was selling his for $2.95 apiece.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack have anybody else associated with him in these
twist boards?
Mr. CRAFARD. He was trying to get his one brother to do something with
them, and I believe it was in Chicago.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That would have been Hyman?
Mr. CRAFARD. How is that?
Mr. GRIFFIN. That would have been Hyman in Chicago?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it was “Hy,” yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How do you know he was trying to get “Hy” interested in it?
Mr. CRAFARD. He had me send some to him.
Mr. HUBERT. I gather from what you have testified to that you have been
around carnivals and you have met a lot of people, and also I think
you said that you form an impression of an individual pretty quickly
and have found in your own experience you have only been wrong once, I
think.
Mr. CRAFARD. I have been wrong twice that I can recall.
Mr. HUBERT. I would like you to tell us what your impression was of
Ruby, and if you can, give us some factual examples and reasons, you
know.
Mr. CRAFARD. Well, first he was a kind of a likable person. He was kind
of impressable. I mean he impressed me somewhat. I had one instant
feeling, I can’t recollect, more or less the way he talked and his
actions that the man might be somewhat queer.
Mr. HUBERT. When you say “queer” you mean what?
Mr. CRAFARD. As the general usage of the term.
Mr. HUBERT. You mean homosexual?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. What caused you to feel that?
Mr. CRAFARD. The way he talked and his general action.
Mr. HUBERT. Was he effeminate in his method of speaking?
Mr. CRAFARD. More or less.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he have a lisp?
Mr. CRAFARD. Not that I recall.
Mr. HUBERT. What other physical actions that you observed that you
think support or supported your view that he might be homosexual?
Mr. CRAFARD. Well, mostly just the way he talked and mostly the way he
walked.