Mr. HUBERT. Now, before you get to that, wasn’t it your job to see that
the beer was kept on ice?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. And how often did you check that?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Every day.
Mr. HUBERT. And when did you do it?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. That’s the first thing I did.
Mr. HUBERT. When you came in in the morning?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. When I came in in the afternoon.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t have any special days to do it?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. I did it every day.
Mr. HUBERT. What about the delivery of the beer?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Thursdays.
Mr. HUBERT. Only once a week?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Once a week.
Mr. HUBERT. And what time did that take place?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Anywhere from 11 on--Thursday. It was usually between 11
and 3 o’clock because I would usually leave the club at 3 o’clock.
Mr. HUBERT. All right, so you got to the Carousel about what time?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. About 12:15, I would say.
Mr. HUBERT. You had a key to get in, of course?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes--I went in and I had to use the restroom, and so I
went to the restroom and then I heard a lot of sirens and I listened to
the sirens for a second or two and they got louder and they got more
sirens, so I decided I would go get my transistor and see what was
going on, and that’s when I heard that there had been a shooting at the
President or something like that. Somebody had tried to assassinate the
President, or something, and then I run in and I woke Larry up--Larry
was staying there.
Mr. HUBERT. Who is Larry?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Larry Crafard.
Mr. HUBERT. Where was he staying?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. He was sleeping in a little room there.
Mr. HUBERT. You say you went and woke him up?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. I woke him up.
Mr. HUBERT. How did you do it?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Well--I shook him.
Mr. HUBERT. Was the door of his room closed or not?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Well, the door of his room was--no, it wasn’t closed.
Mr. HUBERT. How long had Larry been there?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. How long had he been there?
Mr. HUBERT. Yes.
Mr. ARMSTRONG. He had been there since October, since the last of the
State Fair.
Mr. HUBERT. Tell us what you know about him.
Mr. ARMSTRONG. I don’t know anything no more than that he was working
out at the State Fair somewhere and the first time I saw him is when
Jack bought a little something--a little shack or a little house or
something that was built at the State Fair by Olin Lumber Company, I
think it was, and I don’t know who it was--the company that bought it,
and Jack bought the lumber from Olin Lumber Company because it hadn’t
been paid for and he had Howard and Larry to tear it down and bring
it to the club, and that’s when I met Larry is when he and Howard
delivered the lumber to the club.
Mr. HUBERT. Did Jack tell you that Larry was going to work there?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No, he told me there was a couple of kids to help haul
the lumber, but there was only Larry and when I talked to him over the
phone, I called him on the phone and told him they was there with the
lumber and after they finished, he told me to give Larry something and
let him get a shower or something and he would be down to talk to him
later. We had a shower at the club.
So, he went in and showered and this and that, and that night Jack
asked me did we still have the little cot around there that Larry was
going to stay at the club a while--he didn’t have anywhere to live, and
I told him, “Yes,” and showed Larry where he could find it and he was
there ever since.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he tell you what Larry was supposed to do around the
club?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Well, Larry was supposed to do a little cleaning and
things of that nature.
Mr. HUBERT. Was that supposed to be to relieve you of the cleaning job?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. That was supposed to be to help me out with the cleaning
job.
Mr. HUBERT. When was Larry supposed to do that?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Whenever he got up or whenever he had time.
Mr. HUBERT. Usually, what did he do?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Usually he read books.
Mr. HUBERT. What I mean, is, when you got there at your usual time, had
he begun to clean up?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Usually he had begun to clean up.
Mr. HUBERT. He hadn’t finished though?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Wasn’t it your custom, or duty to wake him up every morning?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t call him every morning to wake him up?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No. If he was asleep I didn’t even bother him. Usually
he was awake, but there was sometimes that he was asleep and I didn’t
bother him.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he get paid?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. That, I don’t know.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you ever see him take any money out of the cash
register?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. I had given him money out of the cash register.
Mr. HUBERT. How much?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Oh, a few bucks to eat off of. If he asked me for a
couple of dollars, I would give it to him and let him sign a slip for
it.
Mr. HUBERT. Was that authorized by Ruby?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. He had told you to do so?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. He told me to do so.
Mr. HUBERT. Had he given you any limit as to how much it would be?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No; he hadn’t given me any limit.
Mr. HUBERT. What would you do, make a slip to record it?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Make a slip to record it.
Mr. HUBERT. And it amounted to what--to $2 or $3 a day?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Something like that from $2 to $3--a couple of bucks a
day.
Mr. HUBERT. You never gave him a regular salary?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No; I didn’t myself.
Mr. HUBERT. But what you know about it is--it never was over $2 or $3 a
day?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he stay around the club at night when the shows were on?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. He stayed there.
Mr. HUBERT. What was he supposed to do then?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Go to sleep if he wanted to.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he take part in any of the operation of the club? Like
handling the lights, for example?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. He did handle the lights some. I tried to teach him how
to work the lights, but he never did learn too well.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he do any other things around the club at night?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No more than clean up, and that’s all.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he eat there?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. He usually went out to eat--there was no food there.
Well, he did--I’ll take it back--Jack did bring him some eggs and
things for him to fix his breakfast if he wanted to.
Mr. HUBERT. Was there a stove to do that?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you notice whether he did cook there much?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. About twice I noticed that he did.
Mr. HUBERT. Other than that he didn’t cook?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Not that I know of.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, from the time you got there say, around midday until
you left at 1 o’clock in the morning, the next morning, would you say
that Larry was there most of the time?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. He was there most of the time.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you get to be friendly with him?