Mr. HUBERT. Is that one of those timeclocks that the Western Union----

Mr. STRONG. Yes, sir; it is.

Mr. HUBERT. To your knowledge, is that synchronized to national time?

Mr. STRONG. I am not too certain of that, because they can be set

rather easily with a key, and they have--it is, I believe, an

independent unit. Now, it might be synchronized as a group, but I don’t

believe with a master clock.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, are you sure of that?

Mr. STRONG. No, sir; I am not--I am not too positive of it, yet, it

could be--very well be tied into the master circuit and synchronized

the same as the clocks are.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you know of any clocks that are used in the Fort Worth

office that are not synchronized into the national circuit?

Mr. STRONG. You are speaking of time stamps? No, no; they are all on

the same circuit.

Mr. HUBERT. Would it be your opinion that all the time stamps on this

Exhibit 5121 were stamped by machines that are synchronized to the

national circuit?

Mr. STRONG. Yes, sir; I believe that is true.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, I think you have already testified that the other time

stamp on here, to wit: “3:25 p.m., November 24th,” indicates the time

that the money was actually delivered, is that correct?

Mr. STRONG. Yes, as soon as I had paid her the money I turned that

immediately and stamped that on the clock.

Mr. HUBERT. So that the time of delivery of the money and time of

stamping are almost identical?

Mr. STRONG. Yes, but a few seconds intervening.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you have an independent recollection of this

transaction, Mr. Strong?

Mr. STRONG. Nothing that was outstanding, sir, because as a party

comes in inquiring for money and they have the money order, there is

a routine form, almost has become routine, that we use to satisfy

ourselves that the right party is receiving the money.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you know whether the person made inquiry about this

money at any time prior to the time that the money was actually----

Mr. STRONG. That is apparently true although I did not talk with her

myself, but in the lower right-hand corner you will find the letters,

“WC”, which indicates will-call. That was placed there by one of our

telephone operators who had answered her inquiry and gone to the file

and searched this out and told her that it was there and that she had

informed her that she would call at the office for the money.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you get this information from that telephone operator?

Mr. STRONG. No; but it was on--it was given directly to me and I just

recorded it on the form.

Mr. HUBERT. So that when this document came into your possession you

knew from the numerals, or letters, “WC”, that there would be a call?

Mr. STRONG. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. What is this?

Mr. STRONG. That is the initial JMS, and California driver’s

license--California--Calif--driver’s license, BR, abbreviations.

Mr. HUBERT. Was that the identification on the driver’s license?

Mr. STRONG. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. I show you on Exhibit 5121, stamped on an angle right below

the word “Union,” in large letters what appears to be another stamp of

time which is not quite clear to me. It seems to say, 1963, November

24th, and then something in parentheses, and 60 something. Can you tell

us what that means?

Mr. STRONG. Yes; the 26 in parentheses is the digit time that the

operator completed the transmission of the message in Dallas one

day---the filing time on the application will show 12:26, that the time

the operator completed sending it. This 1:04 p.m. is the time that the

money order actually reached the main floor after the operator on the

third floor released it. We stamp it again when it comes down again

from the operating room--the money order department, and that was what

the 1:04 p.m. means, actually received the money.

Mr. HUBERT. What is the parentheses?

Mr. STRONG. I say, the digit number when the operator in Dallas

completed sending it. In other words, here the message was filed at

11:17 a.m., sent back to the traffic department and the operator put

her stamp on it, and when it is completed then she puts the 2:06 in

digits indicating that the transaction was completed now, which would

have been 11:26 I assume.

Mr. HUBERT. That is to say that is when the telegram got back to Dallas?

Mr. STRONG. That is when it left Dallas.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, it would not have left Dallas on November 26.

Mr. STRONG. No; this is the digited time.

In other words, either 11:26 a.m., or 12:26 p.m. indicating that the

operator had completed the transaction at that time.

Mr. HUBERT. All right. Now, I show you another document which has been

identified as Exhibit 5120, and ask you what this document represents?

Mr. STRONG. On certain money orders when the party is coming into the

office to receive payment we make up what we call a receipt form. That,

you will notice, is a money order receipt form with my initials, J. M.

S., and D. L. L., and No. 4, the wire number out of Dallas.

Mr. HUBERT. Does this conform with the number on Exhibit No. 5121?

Mr. STRONG. Yes, the same number.

Mr. HUBERT. I see.

Mr. STRONG. And then, of course, the dates and the sender’s name, the

office from which the money order came. The date, the amount and the

payee’s name.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, who typed that out?

Mr. STRONG. I did.

Mr. HUBERT. On Exhibit 5120?

Mr. STRONG. Yes, I typed all of this.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, I see a signature there which purports to be that of

Karen Bennett. Who signed----

Mr. STRONG. Karen Bennett supposedly is the one who came in and

presented the California driver’s license.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, you are referring to the figures on Exhibit No. 5120,

is that right?

Mr. STRONG. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Did she sign that in your presence?

Mr. STRONG. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. And I think you have already testified that from the time

stamp on Document 5121, she would have signed that at approximately

3:25 p.m., on November 24, 1963, is that correct?

Mr. STRONG. That’s correct, yes.

Mr. HUBERT. There is nothing on Exhibit 5120, that indicates the time

of sending, is that right?

Mr. STRONG. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Are you able to state, however, that the time stamped on

5121, indicates that the transaction was completed at 3:25 p.m., on

November 24, 1963?

Mr. STRONG. Yes, immediately after Karen Bennett signed this receipt I

stamped----

Mr. HUBERT. “This receipt,” to wit: Exhibit 5121?

Mr. STRONG. Then I stamped the Exhibit 5121, to show the time that

payment had been made.

Mr. HUBERT. And that’s all you know about the matter?

Mr. STRONG. Yes, sir; that’s right.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember if Karen Bennett was alone or was there

someone with her?

Mr. STRONG. She was alone. There was no one with her that came into the

office.

Mr. HUBERT. Had she been waiting around?

Mr. STRONG. No, sir; no. She walked in and I immediately waited upon

her. Asked her if I might help her, and she told me she was expecting

a money order, and, of course, I went through the money order file and

paid her upon her identification.

Mr. HUBERT. Had you prepared the money order receipt, which is

identified as Exhibit 5120, prior to the time she came in?

Mr. STRONG. Yes, we do that as quickly as they come in, as we find the

time to do so.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, we have been speaking about Exhibit 5120, in a sense

that might indicate we were dealing with the original document. I asked

you if it is not true that the actual piece of paper that we have

identified as 5120, is a photostatic copy of it?

Mr. STRONG. Yes, it is. The original would be green in color.

Mr. HUBERT. I see. There are some initials on 5120 following the words,

“Issuing employee.” Whose initials are those?

Mr. STRONG. Those are my initials indicating that I paid the money

order.

Mr. HUBERT. Mr. Strong, have you had any interviews with any members of

the President’s Commission other than myself in regard to this matter?

Mr. STRONG. No, I have not.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, there was an interview between you and me prior to the

commencement of this deposition earlier this morning?

Mr. STRONG. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. In this deposition, have we covered everything that was

covered in the course of our interview?

Mr. STRONG. I think so. I don’t believe there is anything I can add

there.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you know of any inconsistencies in our interview that

have not been developed in the course of this deposition?

Mr. STRONG. No, sir; I do not.

Mr. HUBERT. This Karen Bennett came in in a normal manner and left in a

normal manner and exhibited no emotion whatsoever?

Mr. STRONG. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you know of the shooting of Oswald when she came in?

Mr. STRONG. No, sir; I did not. I have been on duty since 7 o’clock

that morning with no means of communication whatsoever. In fact, I did

not know it until after payment of this money order had been made. One

of the messengers mentioned the fact that Oswald had been killed, and

that a party by the name of Rubenstein had shot him, which couldn’t

register with me at all, because I did not connect the names.

Mr. HUBERT. Did Karen Bennett indicate in any way that she knew that

Ruby had shot Oswald?

Mr. STRONG. No, sir; there was no conversation between us at all other

than the conversation in respect to the money order.

Mr. HUBERT. And the identification?

Mr. STRONG. Pardon me?

Mr. HUBERT. And the identification?

Mr. STRONG. And the identification. After the transaction she left

the office and there was no occasion of that--there was no further

conversation.

Mr. HUBERT. Thank you very much, sir.

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