Mr. SORRELS. You mean about----

Mr. HUBERT. The inquiry as to the names, who these people were, and

to convey the information that you were worried about your own

qualifications if you should be considered.

Mr. SORRELS. That is right.

Mr. HUBERT. You think there were two conversations?

Mr. SORRELS. No.

Mr. HUBERT. Just one?

Mr. SORRELS. As far as I know there would be one. Because that is

the only interest I had. As I recall it, I told Mr. Griffin over the

telephone that there were others present, and I could possibly find out

who they were, and for that purpose that he was trying to bring out on

the telephone conversation, and as I recall it he told me, “No; don’t

do that.”

Mr. HUBERT. Did you find out who the two people were?

Mr. SORRELS. No; I could not tell you to this day who they are.

Mr. HUBERT. In other words, whoever you spoke to, Batchelor or Curry,

who said they would let you know----

Mr. SORRELS. No; I don’t think it was my purpose in finding out

who they were for my own benefit. That wasn’t the point at all. It

was my thought that they should have information for the district

attorney--period.

Mr. HUBERT. In other words, you were not interested in knowing who they

were yourself? You wanted them to know of the fact that there were two

officers there?

Mr. SORRELS. That is right.

Mr. HUBERT. And that you were worried about your own qualifications?

Mr. SORRELS. That is right.

Mr. HUBERT. Can you tell us approximately the lapse of time, if you

can remember it, between your conversation with Mr. Griffin and your

conversation with either Chief Batchelor or Chief Curry that you have

been speaking of?

Mr. SORRELS. Well, I would say it was quite some time afterwards,

because this conversation--I don’t remember the date I had it with Mr.

Griffin, but it was prior to the writing of this memorandum. And it was

quite some time after that that the trial ever started. And when Mr.

Wade saw me at the airport and said, “I want to see you and talk to you

about this case,” the trial, of course, had not started at that time.

So it was quite some time afterwards.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, what did Curry or Batchelor, whoever it was, tell you

when you told him of this?

Mr. SORRELS. As I recall it, they said they could get the information.

That is all that I recall that they said.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember when speaking to Wade at the interview

whether you adverted to the conversation you had had over the telephone

with either Batchelor or Wade, or possibly both?

Mr. SORRELS. No; I don’t recall that that was mentioned.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you have any other conversation with any officers in

the police department? I mean about this aspect that we are talking

about now?

Mr. SORRELS. I saw Captain Fritz at the district attorney’s office the

day that I was down there and talked to him, and I cannot recall about

whether or not there was a conversation with him about who was present

at that time or not, because I remember discussing with Captain Fritz

at that time that I didn’t think my testimony would be much benefit to

the prosecution on that, or if it would be admissible because of the

fact I had not warned Ruby of his constitutional rights.

Mr. HUBERT. When was that conversation?

Mr. SORRELS. That was the same time I was talking to Mr. Wade at his

office. This is when the trial of Ruby was actually in progress.

Mr. HUBERT. Was Fritz in the office?

Mr. SORRELS. He was in and out of there. He had walked in and walked

out. And I may have mentioned to him that--the fact that there was

other officers there besides Dean and myself. And I told Mr. Wade in

Dean’s presence that certain things that Mr. Wade had asked me about,

about Ruby saying that he had been--I think somebody had been thinking

3 days about shooting this fellow--that I heard no such statement,

that I had left when I got the information I wanted. In other words,

when I was questioning Ruby, as I recall it, nobody was asking him any

questions except me, and when I got through I left.

Mr. HUBERT. When did you find out that Dean and Archer had said or were

going to say that they heard Ruby say that he had intended to kill him

3 days before?

Mr. SORRELS. I don’t know that Archer said that--I don’t remember his

name.

Mr. HUBERT. Dean--when did you learn that?

Mr. SORRELS. When Mr. Griffin asked me over the telephone if certain

statements were made, and I told him, in conversation with him, the

statements that Ruby had made to me, and he asked me if certain other

statements were made, and I said not to my knowledge, “I don’t remember

anything like that,” and one of them was about whether or not Ruby

came down the ramp, and I told him at that time I didn’t recall that

statement having been made, and I didn’t believe that statement was

made in my presence.

Mr. HUBERT. I thought you said in the interview with Wade you told him

you did not hear Ruby say that he had formed the intent to kill Oswald

on Friday.

Mr. SORRELS. No, no.

Mr. HUBERT. I am sorry.

Mr. SORRELS. No; I didn’t hear that. Ruby didn’t say that. I told Wade

that.

Mr. HUBERT. You did tell Wade that? Did Wade ask you that?

Mr. SORRELS. He asked me if certain statements were made, and I told

him no, not in my presence.

Mr. HUBERT. In other words, you had not heard of that even until Wade

brought it to your attention?

Mr. SORRELS. No--not that part. The thing that Mr. Griffin was asking

me, I think, as I recall it, was about the ramp.

Mr. HUBERT. Wade asked you did you hear Ruby say, “I intended to kill

him since Friday night,” and your answer was “No; I didn’t.”

Mr. SORRELS. No; I didn’t hear it.

Mr. HUBERT. Did Mr. Griffin mention in the telephone conversation he

had with you statements allegedly made, or knowledge allegedly in the

possession of Dean in regard to what Ruby had said?

Mr. SORRELS. I remember specifically there was a statement about him

coming down the ramp. I remember that. And it seems that--I wouldn’t

be positive about that, but it seemed like there was something else

that Dean was supposed to have said in my presence, and I told him no I

didn’t hear anything like that.

Mr. HUBERT. I had thought you said that you told Wade that you had not

heard Dean say any such thing. But he asked you?

Mr. SORRELS. He asked me. No--you see, he had talked to Dean

beforehand, you see, about this. And I never had talked to Dean. As a

matter of fact, I had not seen him.

Mr. SMITH. I might say it was my impression at one time that Mr.

Sorrels said or indicated that in his conversation with Mr. Griffin,

this question about Ruby having premeditated this for 3 days came out

in this conversation with Griffin. At least I got that impression. But

do I understand it now to be clarified that that particular point did

not come out in your conversation with Griffin?

Mr. SORRELS. I don’t think on the telephone conversation at that time.

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