Mr. SORRELS. No; I don’t----

Mr. HUBERT. Well, would you have covered with Batchelor the material

that we have talked about that you say you did cover with Curry?

Mr. SORRELS. Now, what material is that?

Mr. HUBERT. Well, such as that you were doubtful about your ability to

testify, and so forth.

Mr. SORRELS. Not necessarily. In other words, if it was Batchelor that

I called, then I would have, I think, have explained it to him. If it

had been Curry I called, I would explain it to him--as to why I was

wanting these names, or given that information to them.

Mr. HUBERT. What I am trying to get at, you see, is whether or not

there were two calls.

Mr. SORRELS. I don’t recall that there were two calls. I don’t.

Mr. HUBERT. And you are positive you spoke to Batchelor?

Mr. SORRELS. It seems that I remember talking to Chief Batchelor about

it, because it seems that I can remember that he said, “I am sure that

we can find out that information,” or words to that effect.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, if there was only one call--that is to say, if you

are doubtful about two, and you do remember definitely Batchelor, then

the one call would have to be Batchelor, would it not?

Mr. SORRELS. That is correct; yes.

Mr. SMITH. I think there is a lack of meeting of the minds here.

Mr. HUBERT. Would you try to help me out? I would appreciate it.

Mr. SMITH. Let me see if I can clarify this. Was there definitely a

conversation with Curry about whether you would be able to testify

because of your failure to warn Ruby of his constitutional rights?

Mr. SORRELS. I just cannot say positively that there was. I do know

that I made a phone call for the specific purpose of informing them

of the fact that these two uniformed police officers were there and

could have heard the conversation that I had with Ruby, and as my

memory serves me it seems that was Chief Batchelor. Now, I may have had

conversations with Chief Curry. We have talked about this thing from

many, many different angles from time to time.

Mr. SMITH. Let me ask it a different way.

Was there one call to obtain the names of the men, uniformed policemen,

who were in the room when you interrogated Ruby, and a second call

concerning the question of whether you could testify, or were these two

subjects covered in one telephone conversation?

Mr. SORRELS. No; as I recall it, there was only one conversation on it

at that time.

Mr. SMITH. All right. And you don’t know, then, for sure, whether it

was to Chief Batchelor or to Chief Curry?

Mr. SORRELS. I would say that, if my memory serves me right, it seems

to me like it was Chief Batchelor. There were many, many conversations

about this case from many angles. But I know I was concerned when

Henry Wade indicated I was going to be called as a witness down there,

because I felt that they should know that, and I think as I recall it

when he talked to me I told him about those two uniformed officers

being there.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, whoever you talked to, did that person, whether

it was Curry or Batchelor, indicate that he was not aware of the

information you were giving him?

Mr. SORRELS. Now, what information?

Mr. HUBERT. About the statements made by Ruby. And that you had been

present.

Mr. SORRELS. No; I don’t think so.

Mr. HUBERT. You have already adverted to the telephone call that you

had from Mr. Griffin.

Mr. SORRELS. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you make the telephone call to Curry or Batchelor as a

result of the conversation you had with Mr. Griffin?

Mr. SORRELS. No.

Mr. HUBERT. That was independent? You think it was before?

Mr. SORRELS. No; I don’t think it was before, because as I recall it,

this conversation with Mr. Griffin was quite some time before.

Mr. HUBERT. Mr. Sorrels, I call your attention to the fact that on the

exhibit which has been identified as Commission Document 354, as to

which you have already testified, there is no mention of the names of

the officers who were present, and that is dated February 3, 1964. Does

that help you to recollect whether you then got interested in who those

people were and called Batchelor or Curry, or both?

Mr. SORRELS. It probably brought it to my mind that there were other

people present there, and I think I so informed Mr. Griffin on the

telephone. But that is not what prompted me to make the call about the

two uniformed officers, because that had no bearing on what I told Mr.

Griffin. What he was asking me over the telephone is what I had heard

Ruby say. And I told him what I had heard Ruby say. And he had asked me

about certain things that I did not recall hearing Ruby say, and I told

him so at the time. And when I was in District Attorney Wade’s office,

the question was asked of me by Mr. Wade as to whether or not certain

statements alleged to have been made by Ruby were made to Officer Dean

in my presence, and I told him I did not hear anything like that.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, perhaps another approach would be this: You were

interested or became interested sometime in finding out the names of

these people. Isn’t that a fact?

Mr. SORRELS. Yes; but only for that particular purpose.

Mr. HUBERT. And you also wanted to convey the information that you

were doubtful whether you would qualify, as you put it, as a witness,

because you had failed to warn. And that that thought came into your

mind after Wade indicated that you might be a witness.

Mr. SORRELS. That is as I recall it.

Mr. HUBERT. And that, therefore, you called someone. Now, were those

two things in the same conversation?

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