Mr. McMILLON. Let’s back up just a second. You said did I sign the
original typed copy?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes, sir.
Mr. McMILLON. I am sure that I did. I thought you were referring to the
original handwritten, the one that I had written out in hand.
Mr. GRIFFIN. No.
Mr. McMILLON. I am pretty sure that I signed it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. It indicates that.
Mr. McMILLON. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you read it over before you signed it?
Mr. McMILLON. Oh, sure.
Mr. GRIFFIN. At the time that you signed that report, did you know that
there was an investigation being conducted in the police department as
to how Ruby got into the basement?
Mr. McMILLON. Sure did. I had already been interviewed by the FBI when
I signed this departmental report.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, if--and did you feel that the information, which
you say that you got, that you heard Ruby give Dean, did you feel on
November 27 that that was important information?
Mr. McMILLON. What was that again, sir?
Mr. GRIFFIN. I believe you stated before that you heard Ruby tell Dean
that he came down the ramp?
Mr. McMILLON. Yes, I heard Jack say that he came down the ramp.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. Now, at the time that you signed this report on
November the 27th, did you realize that such a statement from Ruby was
a matter of concern to the police department?
Mr. McMILLON. At the time that I signed those reports was just like
all of the rest of them. I realized that anything that I might know or
that I can remember might be of some value or of some significance to
anybody who was investigating it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You certainly knew that any statement that Ruby made about
how he got down into that basement would be something that somebody
might want to know?
Mr. McMILLON. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You read that report over?
Mr. McMILLON. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And there is nothing in that report about Ruby having made
such a statement, is there?
Mr. McMILLON. This first one here?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mr. McMILLON. Let’s see. I don’t believe so. No, sir; I don’t see
anything.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. Now, you have had a chance to look over Exhibit
5019, haven’t you?
Mr. McMILLON. Yes, I have looked it over.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you tell the Secret Service agents, who
interviewed you at that time, about the statement----
Mr. McMILLON. I was never interviewed by anybody who was identified as
Secret Service agents.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I am sorry. FBI agents. Did you tell those FBI agents
anything about Ruby’s statement to Dean?
Mr. McMILLON. I told them about how he said he got into the basement.
I don’t believe they asked me about Dean, that Ruby told him down the
ramp.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What time did this interview take place?
Mr. McMILLON. Let’s see the date on this. This is the two agents that
came to see me on the 25th, that is on Monday?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes; do you remember what time of the day?
Mr. McMILLON. Yes; in the afternoon.
Mr. GRIFFIN. In the afternoon?
Mr. McMILLON. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Had you talked to Dean between the time he left you and
that afternoon, the time you made that statement?
Mr. McMILLON. I don’t recall that I had, but I don’t believe that I did.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you know by the time you made this statement that Dean
had reported to somebody in the police department that he saw the man
come down the----
Mr. McMILLON. No; I didn’t know that at that time. I didn’t know
that Dean had allegedly said anything of that stuff then. People had
told me, after I had got off duty, this, that and the other. I heard
somewhere that Dean had been on an interview somewhere on television or
something, and that is as much as I knew. I don’t know. I don’t believe
that this article was out at the time. It possibly may have been. I
think this article came out a week or two later where Dean is supposed
to have said that he seen him. I believe it was some time later after
this, a week or so later after this.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you talk with either Archer or Clardy or anybody else
in the police department about this statement that Ruby made to you
between the time that Ruby made it and the time you gave that interview
with the FBI?
Mr. McMILLON. I don’t recall what the conversation was. Archer, Clardy,
and several more of us discussed the case, but Captain Nichols, about
the time we got in from the jail about 3:30, when we started writing
that report over there----
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes, sir.
Mr. McMILLON. Captain Nichols’ instructions were for each of us to
write what we had been doing.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Uh-huh.
Mr. McMILLON. What we had been doing, facts about it, instructed us
not to talk to any other man about it, that he wanted each man’s own
report, which I wrote my own report. After I had written my report and
turned it in, there has been a lot of conversation about it. I have
discussed it with numerous people.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did anybody from the homicide bureau question you about
the statement that Ruby made?
Mr. McMILLON. May have been, but I don’t remember when. Something about
I was supposed to sign an affidavit to them or something, but I don’t
believe I ever signed any affidavit to them, some fact that I was----
Mr. GRIFFIN. How soon after you heard this statement from Ruby were you
questioned by homicide detectives concerning that statement?
Mr. McMILLON. I don’t think I was ever to the point where we could say
questioned by them. It seems to me like one of them asked me in the
hall, “Did you hear him say so and so, did you hear this, that and the
other, could you testify to this, that and the other, did you hear
it?” It came up in a couple of days, but, as far as I know, I didn’t
sign an affidavit.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you testify at the trial?
Mr. McMILLON. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you testify about having heard this statement?
Mr. McMILLON. How he entered the basement?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mr. McMILLON. Okay. I believe you are going to be a little more briefed
on it when you get the fourth report. It is covered.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right.
Mr. McMILLON. There is four reports, he only has three, but anyway that
is the statement that I made at this departmental investigation.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Let me hand you an exhibit marked 5015. That is something
you prepared, diagram, Commerce, Main, Pearl, and Expressway. Would you
sign that and date it? Let me hand you what has been marked as Exhibit
5020, which is a copy of a copy, which you provided us of your original
handwritten statement of November 24 to Chief Curry. Would you look
that over so you are certain that that is a true and accurate copy and
then, if you feel it is true and accurate, would you sign it and date
it? Would you prefer to do that out in the hall?
Mr. McMILLON. It won’t be but just a minute here.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Okay.
Mr. McMILLON. Okay.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Listen, Tom. I appreciate your coming up here.