Mr. GRIFFIN. Montgomery.
Mr. GRAVES. E. R. Beck, C. N. Dhority, J. R. Leavelle, C. W. Brown,
Lieutenant Wells, those are the ones that I remember right now at the
moment.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember if Captain Fritz was there?
Mr. GRAVES. Well, yes; he was there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember whether or not, Lee Oswald was there?
Mr. GRAVES. He wasn’t there when I first got there in the room.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When you got into the room, do you remember talking with
anybody?
Mr. GRAVES. I don’t remember who I talked with first, when I got there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember having any conversation with anyone
regardless of who it might have been, after you got up there, shortly
after you arrived?
Mr. GRAVES. Well, the only conversation I recall actually, is when we
were told to bring him down, Oswald down to the captain’s office. Now,
the rest was routine stuff.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long after you arrived would be your best estimate
that you were told to bring Oswald down to the captain’s office.
Mr. GRAVES. Well, let’s see, we would have a thing to show the exact
time that I signed him out. At somewhere shortly before 10 o’clock,
which would be something over an hour, better part of 2 hours----
Mr. GRIFFIN. In this period from approximately 8 o’clock until shortly
before 10, did you have any conversations about the movement of Lee
Oswald from the city jail to the county jail?
Mr. GRAVES. Well, the captain told us that he would be transferred in a
car.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Captain Fritz told you that?
Mr. GRAVES. Yes; and at first he wanted to talk to him some more, so,
we brought him down to the office so he could be interviewed.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Captain Fritz tell you what kind of a car he was going
to be transferred in?
Mr. GRAVES. Yes; we understood it was going to be a regular police car
like we use, plain cars.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long before you got Oswald down did you get this
information?
Mr. GRAVES. Oh, it couldn’t have been but a few minutes, at least.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where were you told this?
Mr. GRAVES. In the hallway, or office there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall now whether you were in that homicide office
or in the hallway?
Mr. GRAVES. I believe I was in the hallway when I heard it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How many other officers were standing around at that time?
Mr. GRAVES. Oh, I don’t remember really. Probably two or three or four.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How close was Captain Fritz to you when you heard this?
Mr. GRAVES. As close as you and I are.
Mr. GRIFFIN. We have a table separating us.
Mr. GRAVES. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. 6-foot, about a 6-foot table, isn’t it? Was he talking
only to you, or talking to the other officers?
Mr. GRAVES. Generally to all of us.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, at this time, were there newspaper people in the area?
Mr. GRAVES. I don’t believe. At the moment, I don’t believe any newsmen
were in there at the time.
Mr. GRIFFIN. This is not in the hallway?
Mr. GRAVES. No, I mean this little hallway in our bureau--comes from
the front entrance. You know, you have been there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes, I have.