STATEMENT OF MR. MASON L. BROWN, RIVER ROUGE, MICH.

Mr. BROWN. As the representative of the River Rouge Village, I wish

to say a word. I have also been authorized to make objections for the

village of Ford and the city of Wyandotte. My objections have been

placed before the commission by the gentleman who has just spoken,

and I think I can add nothing more to his remarks. The objections are

purely local and are engineering features, and as to the desirability

of purifying the sewage before entering into the stream, I think all

these villages are in accord, and very anxious to do whatever is

right and necessary on that. In regard to River Rouge, I may say that

we have a separate system there. We realized what was coming some six

years ago, and we provided for it, and all we have to do now is to

put in the purification plant. Our objection in regard to River Rouge

is a local one, and the engineer who has just spoken has outlined it,

and if we are not tied down to the exact locality, as shown on your

engineer’s plan, we are thoroughly satisfied. We would rather object

to the location, if we have to follow his suggestion. We can only say

that the present pumping plant there is ample, without putting in an

intercepting sewer, saving some $20,000 odd.

Mr. TAWNEY. Are the municipalities you are now speaking for included

in the proposed consolidated sewage district, referred to in this

report?

Mr. BROWN. They are not.

Mr. TAWNEY. Then the plan for sewage treatment recommended by the

consulting engineers does not apply to the municipalities you

represent?

Mr. BROWN. It does. The Rouge and Wyandotte are both specifically

mentioned, and it is for those I am speaking. We are very anxious

to have this carried out. It is simply a matter of local detail.

We would like to have some changes, and we would get the same and

possibly better results and at a great saving to these cities. In

other words, we could do away with the interceptors.

Mr. TAWNEY. Have you any plan to suggest?

Mr. BROWN. Taking the report of your engineer as it stands, it calls

for an intercepting sewer. The treatment plan is per capita, and

the maintenance the same. In looking over this report I find there

is very little difference in regard to the cost of construction and

maintaining the treatment plan for either a small population or a

large one. In other words, in the village of Ford we have three

outlets, and instead of building an intercepting sewer, tearing up

all their pavement, why could we not put in those three plants,

dividing it up, providing the figures in that report are correct? The

same as to Wyandotte. I am simply taking the report as it stands. I

do not see any necessity for an intercepting sewer.

Prof. PHELPS. I may merely say, in reference to what Mr. Dallyn

has said, that it is not anticipated that we would be fortunate

enough to find in our brief survey the most feasible and the most

economical plans. There is no intention of insisting upon the plans

specifically, and if the cities and towns interested are able to save

money and accomplish the result the commission desires to accomplish,

we say Godspeed. It is results we are after. It is quite proper that

the city shall take advantage not only of their more detailed and

accurate engineering knowledge of the local situation, but also of

those tremendous improvements in sewage disposal which are going

ahead so fast it is difficult to keep track of them.

Mr. POWELL. Take that particular point of treating all the sewage at

one point, or at three points; that is, having an intercepting sewer

or not having one.

Prof. PHELPS. The engineer can advise him if he is correct. My

personal experience would lead me to doubt whether he can save money

by building three plants instead of one. However, if he can save

money let him do it.

Mr. BROWN. I just took the statement of the report itself. It took

so much per capita and disregarded the population entirely. We have

never made an detailed figures. This came up hurriedly, and we have

nothing to suggest. We are heartily in favor of the improvements, but

in regard to the commission tying us down as to details, we would

like to know how much limit we have if we get results.

Mr. TAWNEY. Have you any objection to or criticism upon the standard

of purification set forth in the report, or, in other words, have you

any criticism upon the result that is to be attained with respect to

purification of water mentioned in the report?

Mr. BROWN. No criticism whatsoever.

Mr. TAWNEY. The municipalities you represent are entirely in accord

with the report, so far as it relates to standardization?

Mr. BROWN. Absolutely.

Mr. POWELL. You recognize the obligation of your community to get rid

of the sewage, but you want to do it as economically as possible.

Mr. BROWN. That is exactly the fact.

Mr. POWELL. You do not quarrel with the onus being thrown upon you to

do it in some way?

Mr. BROWN. No. All these villages seem to be very willing to do

something, and they are anxious. They know of this investigation, and

they have delayed works on that account, and they are very anxious to

do the best possible good for all.

Mr. TAWNEY. Your present population is 15,000?

Mr. BROWN. That is the population they gave for River Rouge, but I

think it is not as large as that. I think you will find the present

population is only about half of that.

Mr. TAWNEY. Is there anyone here representing any of the other

municipalities on the United States side?

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