STATEMENT OF MR. R. L. SEELBACH, OF BUFFALO, N. Y.

Mr. SEELBACH. I would like to ascertain if it is mandatory on the

city to accept any plan the commission recommends?

Mr. TAWNEY. It would be mandatory if the two Governments, by treaty,

agreed to the adoption of the recommendation; but as far as the

commission’s recommendation is concerned it is not mandatory. If the

commission recommends certain remedies, and the two Governments,

by convention or treaty, adopt the recommendation, it becomes the

supreme law and would be mandatory upon the municipalities.

Mr. SEELBACH. If it could be shown to the commission in a reasonable

time that a certain system would be more economical and hygienically

superior to the proposition of the commission, would that be accepted?

Mr. TAWNEY. You appeared before the commission in 1914?

Mr. SEELBACH. Yes.

Mr. TAWNEY. And presented a plan of treatment?

Mr. SEELBACH. It was more upon the garbage proposition; but I have

taken up this matter and submitted a plan. I have a scheme to burn

the sludge.

Mr. GARDNER. The commission is here at this time for the discussion

of the plans submitted by our engineer, as to whether or not they

are acceptable; if not, what particular objection these different

municipalities have to the plans as submitted in this report, and we

can not take up anything that is purely outside of that question.

Mr. SEELBACH. I submitted my proposition to you people, and I never

heard anything about it.

Mr. TAWNEY. I can say to you that it was disposed of as not coming

within the purview of our investigation.

Mr. SEELBACH. I would like to know the facts in connection with that.

Mr. TAWNEY. I do not think it was formally disposed of, but that was

the consensus of opinion it did not fall within the scope of the

investigation.

Mr. SEELBACH. If I can show to the city of Buffalo that my system is

more hygienic and more economical, would it have your approval?

Mr. GARDNER. I have no doubt it might have the approval of the

commission informally, but I doubt whether they could take it up

properly and consider it under the reference.

Mr. SEELBACH. But the city of Buffalo?

Mr. GARDNER. They can do as they please.

Mr. POWELL. Have you laid your scheme before the city authorities?

Mr. SEELBACH. Not as yet; I would like to.

Mr. GARDNER. You have not as many men to deal with as you had years

ago.

Mr. SEELBACH. If the commissioners could find my statement there, I

would like to make a correction.

Mr. TAWNEY. We have not it with us. You can address the secretary at

Washington, or see him here personally, and give him any corrections

you want to make.

Mr. GARDNER. I was going to make the suggestion that you might be

allowed to make your correction at this time, if you care to. But we

have not your statement here.

Mr. SEELBACH. I can not make it without the statement before me.

Mr. GARDNER. We do not seem to be getting anywhere; we are traveling

around in a circle. I submit this proposition to you--whether or not

we could take a recess, and your engineers or your representative

men and our engineers spend the remainder of the day in going over

this report, to see whether or not you can not come in here to-morrow

with some tentative agreement at least as to what your differences

are, whether they are irreconcilable, or what may be the prospect

of coming to some understanding with each other. I want to repeat

again that, under the terms of the reference, this commission has

nothing whatever to do with the supplying of pure water to any of

these municipalities. The question referred to us is to determine

whether or not these boundary waters were polluted to the injury

of health and property on the other side of the line, and if they

were--and it has been clearly demonstrated that they were--what

remedy we would advise and submit to the two Governments for their

adoption. We are anxious to have the cooperation of the people here

in Buffalo and elsewhere to work out a plan possibly that will answer

the terms of the reference and make it as easy as possible for the

people interested here and elsewhere. That is what we are here for.

The commission could sit down in its offices in Washington or Ottawa

and develop a plan, but we want to consider you people here; we want

to work with you to devise a scheme that will be best for you and

acceptable to the Governments at the least possible cost. That is my

idea of the situation in a nutshell.

Mr. POWELL. I would suggest that Mr. Seelbach prepare a typewritten

brief and give a copy to each member of the commission. If his idea

is good, I, for one, would like to take advantage of it and have it

considered, but you understand we can not adequately consider any

scientific scheme here by simply an oral statement. You had better

typewrite your brief and submit it.

Mr. SEELBACH. I can submit it. How long will you remain here?

Mr. GARDNER. We can remain here two or three days.

Mr. POWELL. And if it is not ready you could send copies to the

Washington or Ottawa offices.

Prof. PHELPS. I would like to suggest that we have not heard from

all the officials of Buffalo. Capt. Norton looks as though he had

something to say, and it might be well to fill in time hearing what

these people have to say.

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