Talkative's fine discourse

TALK. That is it that I said; for to talk of such things is most

profitable; for by so doing, a man may get knowledge of many things;

as of the vanity of earthly things, and the benefit of things above.

Thus, in general, but more particularly by this, a man may learn

the necessity of the new birth, the insufficiency of our works,

the need of Christ's righteousness, &c. Besides, by this a man

may learn, by talk, what it is to repent, to believe, to pray,

to suffer, or the like; by this also a man may learn what are the

great promises and consolations of the gospel, to his own comfort.

Further, by this a man may learn to refute false opinions, to

vindicate the truth, and also to instruct the ignorant.

FAITH. All this is true, and glad am I to hear these things from

you.

TALK. Alas! the want of this is the cause why so few understand

the need of faith, and the necessity of a work of grace in their

soul, in order to eternal life; but ignorantly live in the works

of the law, by which a man can by no means obtain the kingdom of

heaven.

{188} FAITH. But, by your leave, heavenly knowledge of these is the

gift of God; no man attaineth to them by human industry, or only

by the talk of them.

TALK. All this I know very well; for a man can receive nothing,

except it be given him from Heaven; all is of grace, not of works.

I could give you a hundred scriptures for the confirmation of this.

FAITH. Well, then, said Faithful, what is that one thing that we

shall at this time found our discourse upon?

TALK. What you will. I will talk of things heavenly, or things

earthly; things moral, or things evangelical; things sacred, or

things profane; things past, or things to come; things foreign, or

things at home; things more essential, or things circumstantial;

provided that all be done to our profit.

{189} FAITH. Now did Faithful begin to wonder; and stepping to

Christian, (for he walked all this while by himself), he said to

him, (but softly), What a brave companion have we got! Surely this

man will make a very excellent pilgrim.

CHR. At this Christian modestly smiled, and said, This man, with

whom you are so taken, will beguile, with that tongue of his, twenty

of them that know him not.

FAITH. Do you know him, then?

{190} CHR. Know him! Yes, better than he knows himself.

FAITH. Pray, what is he?

CHR. His name is Talkative; he dwelleth in our town. I wonder that

you should be a stranger to him, only I consider that our town is

large.

FAITH. Whose son is he? And whereabout does he dwell?

CHR. He is the son of one Say-well; he dwelt in Prating Row; and is

known of all that are acquainted with him, by the name of Talkative

in Prating Row; and notwithstanding his fine tongue, he is but a

sorry fellow.

{191} FAITH. Well, he seems to be a very pretty man.

CHR. That is, to them who have not thorough acquaintance with him;

for he is best abroad; near home, he is ugly enough. Your saying

that he is a pretty man, brings to my mind what I have observed in

the work of the painter, whose pictures show best at a distance,

but, very near, more unpleasing.

{192} FAITH. But I am ready to think you do but jest, because you

smiled.

CHR. God forbid that I should jest (although I smiled) in this

matter, or that I should accuse any falsely! I will give you

a further discovery of him. This man is for any company, and for

any talk; as he talketh now with you, so will he talk when he is on

the ale-bench; and the more drink he hath in his crown, the more

of these things he hath in his mouth; religion hath no place in his

heart, or house, or conversation; all he hath lieth in his tongue,

and his religion is, to make a noise therewith.

{193} FAITH. Say you so! then am I in this man greatly deceived.

CHR. Deceived! you may be sure of it; remember the proverb, "They

say and do not." [Matt. 23:3] But the kingdom of God is not in

word, but in Power. [1 Cor 4:20] He talketh of prayer, of repentance,

of faith, and of the new birth; but he knows but only to talk of

them. I have been in his family, and have observed him both at

home and abroad; and I know what I say of him is the truth. His

house is as empty of religion as the white of an egg is of savour.

There is there neither prayer nor sign of repentance for sin; yea,

the brute in his kind serves God far better than he. He is the

very stain, reproach, and shame of religion, to all that know him;

it can hardly have a good word in all that end of the town where

he dwells, through him. [Rom. 2:24,25] Thus say the common people

that know him, A saint abroad, and a devil at home. His poor

family finds it so; he is such a churl, such a railer at and so

unreasonable with his servants, that they neither know how to do

for or speak to him. Men that have any dealings with him say it is

better to deal with a Turk than with him; for fairer dealing they

shall have at their hands. This Talkative (if it be possible) will

go beyond them, defraud, beguile, and overreach them. Besides, he

brings up his sons to follow his steps; and if he findeth in any of

them a foolish timorousness, (for so he calls the first appearance

of a tender conscience,) he calls them fools and blockheads, and by

no means will employ them in much, or speak to their commendations

before others. For my part, I am of opinion, that he has, by his

wicked life, caused many to stumble and fall; and will be, if God

prevent not, the ruin of many more.

{194} FAITH. Well, my brother, I am bound to believe you; not only

because you say you know him, but also because, like a Christian,

you make your reports of men. For I cannot think that you speak

these things of ill-will, but because it is even so as you say.

CHR. Had I known him no more than you, I might perhaps have thought

of him, as, at the first, you did; yea, had he received this report

at their hands only that are enemies to religion, I should have

thought it had been a slander,--a lot that often falls from bad

men's mouths upon good men's names and professions; but all these

things, yea, and a great many more as bad, of my own knowledge,

I can prove him guilty of. Besides, good men are ashamed of him;

they can neither call him brother, nor friend; the very naming of

him among them makes them blush, if they know him.

{195} FAITH. Well, I see that saying and doing are two things, and

hereafter I shall better observe this distinction.

CHR. They are two things, indeed, and are as diverse as are the

soul and the body; for as the body without the soul is but a dead

carcass, so saying, if it be alone, is but a dead carcass also.

The soul of religion is the practical part: "Pure religion

and undefiled, before God and the Father, is this, To visit the

fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself

unspotted from the world." [James 1:27; see vv. 22-26] This

Talkative is not aware of; he thinks that hearing and saying will

make a good Christian, and thus he deceiveth his own soul. Hearing

is but as the sowing of the seed; talking is not sufficient to

prove that fruit is indeed in the heart and life; and let us assure

ourselves, that at the day of doom men shall be judged according

to their fruits. [Matt. 13, 25] It will not be said then, Did you

believe? but, Were you doers, or talkers only? and accordingly

shall they be judged. The end of the world is compared to our

harvest; and you know men at harvest regard nothing but fruit.

Not that anything can be accepted that is not of faith, but I speak

this to show you how insignificant the profession of Talkative will

be at that day.

{196} FAITH. This brings to my mind that of Moses, by which he

describeth the beast that is clean. [Lev. 11:3-7; Deut. 14:6-8]

He is such a one that parteth the hoof and cheweth the cud; not

that parteth the hoof only, or that cheweth the cud only. The

hare cheweth the cud, but yet is unclean, because he parteth not

the hoof. And this truly resembleth Talkative; he cheweth the cud,

he seeketh knowledge, he cheweth upon the word; but he divideth

not the hoof, he parteth not with the way of sinners; but, as the

hare, he retaineth the foot of a dog or bear, and therefore he is

unclean.

CHR. You have spoken, for aught I know, the true gospel sense

of those texts. And I will add another thing: Paul calleth some

men, yea, and those great talkers, too, sounding brass and tinkling

cymbals; that is, as he expounds them in another place, things

without life, giving sound. [1 Cor. 13:1-3; 14:7] Things without

life, that is, without the true faith and grace of the gospel;

and consequently, things that shall never be placed in the kingdom

of heaven among those that are the children of life; though their

sound, by their talk, be as if it were the tongue or voice of an

angel.

FAITH. Well, I was not so fond of his company at first, but I am

as sick of it now. What shall we do to be rid of him?

CHR. Take my advice, and do as I bid you, and you shall find that

he will soon be sick of your company too, except God shall touch

his heart, and turn it.

FAITH. What would you have me to do?

CHR. Why, go to him, and enter into some serious discourse about

the power of religion; and ask him plainly (when he has approved

of it, for that he will) whether this thing be set up in his heart,

house, or conversation.

{197} FAITH. Then Faithful stepped forward again, and said to

Talkative, Come, what cheer? How is it now?

TALK. Thank you, well. I thought we should have had a great deal

of talk by this time.

{198} FAITH. Well, if you will, we will fall to it now; and since

you left it with me to state the question, let it be this: How doth

the saving grace of God discover itself when it is in the heart of

man?

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