Mr. DEAN. Sorrels asked him first, I believe----

Mr. GRIFFIN. No. I am not making myself clear. I am sorry. Did Sorrels

say anything to Ruby about Sorrels' acquaintanceship among the Jewish

merchants, that you recall?

Mr. DEAN. No. I don't--seems like he said something, that he had--that

he knew some Jewish--I don't recall exactly what, but relative to what

you are asking, he did say something about he was acquainted with some

person that was a Jew, something to that effect.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Are you acquainted with the name of a guy named Honest Joe?

Mr. DEAN. Right. Yes, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Tell us what you remember about that.

Mr. DEAN. Well, he said, "Well, I know Honest Joe or"--In other words,

the only thing that I got out of that was that he knew Honest Joe. This

wasn't relative to what I wanted to find out from Ruby, and I just

disregarded this from my mind.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did this take place inside the jail cell?

Mr. DEAN. No, sir. He was in the hallway or the corridor outside a jail

cell. He hadn't been placed in a cell.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And were Archer, Clardy, and McMillon around during this

conversation?

Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir. I think they stood there.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And how long would you say that Sorrels talked with Ruby?

Mr. DEAN. Oh, 10 minutes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, do you remember anything that Sorrels learned from

Ruby?

Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Can you tell us what that was?

Mr. DEAN. Yes. He asked him what possessed him to do it. Of course,

I have testified to all this in court. And he said that he was--had

been despondent over the assassination of the President, also Officer

Tippit, and that he was a very emotional man, and that out of grief for

both these people, was one of the motivations, and that he couldn't see

any reason for a long and lengthy trial, even though he believed in due

process of law.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he talk with Sorrels at all at that time about how he

got into the basement?

Mr. DEAN. No, sir. I asked him--Sorrels didn't ask any questions

relative to that. I did.

Mr. GRIFFIN. How long after Sorrels finished talking with Ruby did you

ask that question?

Mr. DEAN. Immediately. After Mr. Sorrels said, "Okay. Thank you." And I

don't recall whether Mr. Sorrels stayed there or whether he walked off.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Who else was present when you asked Ruby that question?

Mr. DEAN. I think McMillon and them were still there. I just really

didn't--I knew that I wasn't by myself with him. I knew that there was

someone there and I believe it was McMillon and Archer that had stayed

there. I am not sure.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What else did you talk with Ruby about, after Sorrels

finished talking to him?

Mr. DEAN. After Sorrels finished, I said, "Ruby, I want to ask you a

couple of questions myself." And he said, "All right." I said, "How did

you get in the basement?" And he said, "I walked in the Main Street

ramp." And he told me, he said, "I have just been to the Western Union

to mail a money order to Fort Worth." And he said, "I walked from the

Western Union to the ramp." And he said, "I saw Sam Pierce--" and he

referred to him as Sam Pierce--"drive out of the basement. At that

time, at the time the car drove out is when I walked in."

Mr. GRIFFIN. Is there a Sam Pierce on the force?

Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir. He is a lieutenant. He is here tonight.

Mr. GRIFFIN. His name is also Rio Pierce?

Mr. DEAN. Lt. Rio S. Pierce, yes, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Does he go by the name Sam?

Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Does he also go by the name Rio?

Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir.

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