Mr. HUBERT. Would you just mark it there, the spot there were you first
saw Ruby?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. Approximately. I could miss this a foot or 2, you
understand that?
Mr. HUBERT. All right.
Lieutenant WIGGINS. All right. Now, your cameras were over here
behind the--behind this with the lights, and where I saw him, he was
approximately, I'd say, about there [indicating].
Mr. HUBERT. Now, I am marking this--Lieutenant Wiggins has marked a
spot in the basement area. I am putting a circle around that spot, and
connecting it with a line, I am writing "Position of Ruby when seen by
Wiggins." Is that correct, sir?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. Yes. Now, this spot that I would be--that I would
say to be to where I first noticed that--the movement that attracted my
attention right there.
Mr. HUBERT. All right.
Lieutenant WIGGINS. And by the time that I had time to think and look,
it was over, but that is approximately the place.
Mr. HUBERT. All right. You had known Jack Ruby before this, I
understand?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. Yes, sir; I have known Jack Ruby for years.
Mr. HUBERT. When did you first recognize him?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. The first time that I recognized him, who it was
was after they brought him into the jail office. He was on the floor
still covered, or surrounded by the officers is when they picked him up
off the floor and stood him on his feet in the jail.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he say anything to you?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. I don't recall him saying anything there.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you ever talk to him afterwards?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. Yes, sir; I talked to you the--I talked to him
the next morning. I went up to see if he was all right. This was
approximately 6:45, the following morning, I went to see that he was
all right. I asked him how he was feeling, and he said, "As well as
could be expected." And I asked him if he was being treated all right.
And he said, "Yes; they are treating me fine." And I don't recall
saying anything else to him at that time.
Mr. HUBERT. Had you--have you spoken to him since?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know who called a doctor?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. Yes, sir; when the shot was fired, as soon as I saw
that I could be of no help out there, they had Ruby. They had the man,
and they were surrounding--I immediately whirled, came in the office,
and when I found one of my officers there, Slack, I told him to call
the doctor, that Oswald had been shot.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you then notice what time it was?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. No, sir; I didn't. I don't recall.
Mr. HUBERT. Slack was where?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. He was standing right by the desk inside the jail
office.
Mr. HUBERT. So, he put the call in?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. Yes, sir; he called himself, then let me say this,
that after they brought Ruby in, then I turned and came back out the
door and after they had brought Ruby and Oswald, after they had gotten
him in I checked by telephone myself.
Mr. HUBERT. Who did you speak to then?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. I called one of them in the dispatcher's office,
but I don't remember who I checked with.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, I am marking a document purporting to be a letter
dated November 27, 1963, addressed to J. E. Curry, chief of police,
apparently signed by you, by marking on the right-hand margin these
words, "Dallas, Tex., March 24, 1964, and Exhibit 5074. Deposition
of W. Wiggins." I am signing my name on the first page, and placing
my initials on the lower right-hand corner of the second page. I am
marking a four-page document purporting to be a report of an interview
with you by special agents of the FBI, Chapoton and Smith, dated
December 2, 1963, by writing in the right margin on the first page of
that document the following: "Dallas, Tex., March 24, 1964. Exhibit
5075, deposition of W. Wiggins." I am signing my name and I am placing
my initials on a second, third and fourth page of that document by
putting those initials in the lower right-hand corner. I ask you
to look at these two exhibits and tell me whether you have had an
opportunity to read them?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. Yes; I have.
Mr. HUBERT. Do those documents represent what you know to be the truth?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. Yes; there is an error on the third page.
Mr. HUBERT. Of which one?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. Of the document taken by the Federal Bureau of
Investigation.
Mr. HUBERT. Will you state what you consider to be the error and give
us what you consider to be the truth?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. It starts on the eighth line, on the top of the
third page where it starts--the sentence starts, "They had proceeded
some 6 or 7 feet--" Excuse me. It is the one in front of that. The
latter part of the last sentence of the eighth line. Sentence reads,
"In their midst, were out past him. Wiggins," and it should read, "In
their midst, went out past him. Wiggins." And the next sentence----
Mr. HUBERT. I'm not sure I got that distinction.
Lieutenant WIGGINS. All right. See this? See this then should be, "Went
out past him." Not, "were out past him."
Mr. HUBERT. In other words, in the eighth line, the fourth word from
the end of the eighth line should be the word "went" instead of the
word "were," is that correct?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. That's true. Also, the next sentence, as it is
written here, "They proceeded some 6 or 7 feet from the jail office
door when he, Wiggins, saw a man lunge towards Oswald and he heard the
report of the gun." That sentence should read, "They had proceeded some
6 or 7 feet past Wiggins when Wiggins saw a man lunge towards Oswald
and he heard the report of a gun."
Mr. HUBERT. In other words, as the exhibit itself now reads, or as the
sentence now reads it gives the impression that they had proceeded 6 or
7 feet from the jail door.
Lieutenant WIGGINS. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Whereas, your recollection is that it was 6 or 7 feet from
where you were standing, and were you--you were standing about 3 or 4
feet from the jail door, so that to catch the sense properly it would
be that they had proceeded about 10 to 11 feet past the jail door.
Lieutenant WIGGINS. True.
Mr. HUBERT. All right. Now, are there any other corrections or
modifications?