I mean, it's just all according to----

Mr. HUBERT. Well, you see, we don't know what the efficiency cut of

four points means in terms of severity, and that's what we would like

to know.

Mr. VAUGHN. Well, normally for the last 3 or 4 years I have always

carried a 90 efficiency, which is a fairly high efficiency, and I got

cut four points on one certain thing, which I'm not familiar enough

on how they grade on that--to actually explain it to you, but I went

up to the civil service board when I got my efficiency and checked to

see who, of course, they keep a record of anybody that changes your

efficiency. My efficiency was changed by Chief Fisher. It was cut from

a 90 to an 86 and on one particular phase of how they grade you--on

dependability.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you ascertain that that efficiency cut was done because

of the Ruby incident?

Mr. VAUGHN. Well, I didn't think--I thought possibly it was over the

Ruby incident and I went and talked to one of my supervisors and I

didn't feel that I should have had a cut on my efficiency under the

circumstances but the point to me--there has--they have never actually

proved that Jack came in that way.

Mr. HUBERT. When you spoke to this officer, your superior officer about

the fact that you didn't think you should be cut, what did he say?

Mr. VAUGHN. Well, he said he didn't know what I was cut for.

Mr. HUBERT. Who was that, by the way, what is his name?

Mr. VAUGHN. I believe that was Sergeant Jennings, if I'm not mistaken.

Mr. HUBERT. You know you talked to Fisher about it?

Mr. VAUGHN. Well, I was going to see Chief Fisher, as a matter of fact

I got the lieutenant to talk to Chief Fisher and he told Chief Fisher

that I did want to see him, and at that time Chief Fisher was involved

in some other kind of business he had--I don't know exactly what it

was, but he was busy. Then Lieutenant Pierce told me that I shouldn't

go see Fisher at this time. He said, "If you will wait, I will talk to

Fisher."

Mr. HUBERT. By the way, this efficiency cut, is that on the basis of a

year or a month or what?

Mr. VAUGHN. Six months.

Mr. HUBERT. And this was made about January 1, I guess?

Mr. VAUGHN. Yes, sir; I think the efficiency ends in the month of

January.

Mr. HUBERT. Did Rio Pierce ever report back to you as to whether he had

spoken to Fisher or not?

Mr. VAUGHN. Yes, I talked to Lieutenant Pierce, I believe it was a

couple of weeks ago, and he said it was the first opportunity he had

had a chance to talk to Chief Fisher, and my understanding I got from

him was that Chief Fisher said it was for letting Tom Chabot in the

basement.

Mr. HUBERT. In other words, you got the impression from Pierce, that

the efficiency cut was not related to the Ruby incident, but rather to

the Chabot incident?

Mr. VAUGHN. Yes; to Chabot.

Mr. HUBERT. I think we need a bit more information as to the severity

of this cut. Could you give us examples of what point cut they give for

what?

Mr. VAUGHN. Well, you might get 1 or 2 points--I've seen them get cut

as high as 13 points.

Mr. HUBERT. For what?

Mr. VAUGHN. Well, just for different things.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, what would be--what would a four cut be the result of?

Mr. VAUGHN. Well, normally a 4 point cut wouldn't be too severe,

because actually--well, I had a 90. I got cut 4 points--I got an 86,

which is still a fairly good efficiency, but to me, like I said, under

the circumstances and the things I felt it was severe because I didn't

quite understand it--that was the point on that.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, were you in the police building on the 23d--the day

before?

Mr. VAUGHN. Yes, sir; I was there in and out.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you see Ruby then?

Mr. VAUGHN. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Were you in the police building on the 22d of November?

Mr. VAUGHN. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you see Ruby around there then?

Mr. VAUGHN. No.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you happen to go to that assembly when Oswald was

brought down to see the press?

Mr. VAUGHN. No, sir; I don't know what time that was, but at that

particular time we were working days and we got off at 3 o'clock.

Mr. HUBERT. I show you three statements which have been marked for

identification as follows: a copy of a letter dated November 26,

1963, addressed to J. E. Curry in two pages and I have marked it for

identification, "Dallas, Tex., April 17, 1964, Exhibit 5334, Deposition

of Roy Vaughn," and I have signed my name on it and since it has a

second page, I have put my initials at the right-hand bottom corner

of the second page, and the second document, which is an interview of

you by FBI Agents Lester and Larson, dated December 1, 1963, and for

purposes of identification, I have marked this, "Dallas, Tex., April

17, 1964, Exhibit 5335, Deposition of Roy Vaughn." I have signed my

name on that and I have put my initials in the lower right-hand corner

on the second, third, the fourth and the fifth pages of that document,

and then there is another document, a report of an investigation of

you by Agents Hughes and Dallman, dated December 19, 1963, and I have

marked that for identification on the first page as follows, "Dallas,

Tex., April 17, 1964. Exhibit 5336, Deposition of Roy Vaughn," and I

have signed my name below that and I have marked the second, third and

fourth pages with my initials in the lower right-hand corner.

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