Lieutenant PIERCE. Momentarily, anyway.
Mr. HUBERT. In fact, he would have been looking from where he was
standing toward the Main Street entrance?
Lieutenant PIERCE. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see him turn his head any at all?
Lieutenant PIERCE. No, sir; I couldn't see him for just a matter of a
second there when I pulled out. That ramp is steep and a little bit
difficult to get out there.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he step out in the street at all?
Lieutenant PIERCE. Not to my knowledge.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, did you turn, immediately outside the Main Street
entry or exit, to your right?
Lieutenant PIERCE. I was aware that people were pressed, not a large
number of them, but I would say maybe four or five.
Mr. HUBERT. On your right?
Lieutenant PIERCE. No, well, probably might have been a--I don't know.
Just a guess. I don't recall the number of people now, what it would be.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you recall whether there were some people on your right?
Lieutenant PIERCE. I was aware that people were on both sides of the
car when I pulled across the sidewalk.
Mr. HUBERT. And how far from the entrance?
Lieutenant PIERCE. Well, probably 6 or 7 feet.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you recognize anybody at all?
Lieutenant PIERCE. Nobody except one by the name of Vaughn.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, subsequently, of course, it turned out that Ruby shot
Oswald. Did you know him prior to that time?
Lieutenant PIERCE. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Ruby?
Lieutenant PIERCE. Yes, sir; I have known him 12 or 13 years, I guess.
Mr. HUBERT. So, you would recognize him without any difficulty whether
he had a hat on or not?
Lieutenant PIERCE. I don't think I would have any trouble recognizing
him if I saw him.
Mr. HUBERT. You did not, see him in that crowd to your right?
Lieutenant PIERCE. No; I didn't see him that day at all.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you think that if he had been there he would have
recognized you?
Lieutenant PIERCE. I'm saying the possibilities are very great that
had he been there I might not have seen him. I mean, due to the time
element and more or less concerned with getting across the sidewalk and
into the street, driving the automobile at the same time. I am saying
the possibilities are very good that I might not have seen him had he
been there. I'd be very hesitant to say that I wouldn't.
Mr. HUBERT. I'm going to mark for identification three documents.
First, I am marking, "Dallas, Texas, March 24th, 1964, Exhibit 5077.
Deposition of Rio Pierce" and putting my name underneath that, and my
initial on the second page and in the right-hand lower corner, that
being a copy of a letter dated November 26, 1963, addressed to Chief
Curry. The second document also consisting of two pages, a report of
an interview with you by FBI Agents Smith and Chapoton, on December 6,
in 1963. I am marking that, "Dallas, Texas, March 24, 1964. Exhibit
5078, deposition of Rio Pierce." Signing my name on the front page
of that, and I place my initials on the lower right-hand corner of
the second page. And I am marking a third document on the right-hand
margin, "Dallas, Texas, March 24, 1964. Exhibit 5079, deposition of Rio
Pierce." Signing my name on that front page and placing my initials
in the lower right-hand corner of the second and third pages. That
last document, to wit: 5079, purports to be a report of an interview
by FBI Agents Chapoton and Smith of you, Rio Pierce, on December 2,
1963. Now, I ask you if you have had an opportunity to look at these
documents?
Lieutenant PIERCE. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Are those documents correct and true?
Lieutenant PIERCE. To the best of my knowledge, they are.
Mr. HUBERT. Are there any omissions of a material nature?
Lieutenant PIERCE. I don't recall any.
Mr. HUBERT. Anything you would like to delete as not being the truth,
or add because it has been omitted?
Lieutenant PIERCE. No; I don't see anything in there that I would care
to change.
Mr. HUBERT. As far as you know, this represents the truth as you know
it?
Lieutenant PIERCE. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, Maxey was in your car, was he not?
Lieutenant PIERCE. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Was he in the rear?
Lieutenant PIERCE. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he ever talk to you about having seen Daniels at the
exit? N. J. Daniels?
Lieutenant PIERCE. You mean since then?
Mr. HUBERT. Well, since the day you drove out of there. In other words,
have you and Maxey ever, at all, conversed about whether he, Maxey, saw
Daniels?
Lieutenant PIERCE. It is possible. I don't recall. People talk about a
lot of things since then.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, there has been no interview between you and any member
of the Commission's staff before this deposition today, has there?
Lieutenant PIERCE. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Anything else you want to say or add or change?
Lieutenant PIERCE. I don't know of a thing.
Mr. HUBERT. Thank you very much, sir.