Mr. PATTERSON. Well, that's what I put it, "about."

Mr. HUBERT. You did not know Ruby at all?

Mr. PATTERSON. I did not.

Mr. HUBERT. And you were at the top of the Commerce Street ramp?

Mr. PATTERSON. The ramp; yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. From about 9:30 on--you never left it?

Mr. PATTERSON. I never left it.

Mr. HUBERT. As far as you know, no one unidentified was there?

Mr. PATTERSON. No one without proper identification.

Mr. HUBERT. Tell us what you understood was meant by "proper

identification"?

Mr. PATTERSON. Well, he said not to let no one in except police and

reporters unless they had proper identification.

Mr. HUBERT. You said they told you--who was that?

Mr. PATTERSON. The sergeant.

Mr. HUBERT. Sergeant Dean?

Mr. PATTERSON. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, of course, with respect to police, I guess their

uniform would establish their identity?

Mr. PATTERSON. No, they have a regular identification.

Mr. HUBERT. And you were instructed to have them show their official

identification?

Mr. PATTERSON. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. You did so?

Mr. PATTERSON. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. What about the identification of newsmen?

Mr. PATTERSON. Well, the best I could tell, they pulled out all the

identification--part of them had pictures of who they worked for, where

they lived, some of them didn't have nothing, some of them had stickers

and I had to turn one of them back--I did--he come up there in a WRR

truck and got out of it but didn't have no identification and he had to

go back and get some.

Mr. HUBERT. In other words, as far as you were concerned, you were not

satisfied if a man just simply had a badge on saying "press"?

Mr. PATTERSON. No.

Mr. HUBERT. You went further and required something that would satisfy

you?

Mr. PATTERSON. Yes--anybody can pick up a press badge.

Mr. HUBERT. And you actually turned back some people who claimed to be

the press, but you weren't satisfied with their identification?

Mr. PATTERSON. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you require a picture?

Mr. PATTERSON. Some of them had pictures and some of them didn't--some

of them had where they lived--on down further who they worked for and

what press--and they had cameras on.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, if they had that sort of thing, you figured that that

was proper?

Mr. PATTERSON. Well, it's proper identification--you know half of them

didn't know they were supposed to have the pictures. Of course, I don't

guess the chief or anybody notified them to have pictures like they did

down at the county.

Mr. HUBERT. But you considered that the identification you required as

to newsmen, when they didn't have a picture, would be such as would

satisfy you in normal police work in identifying anybody?

Mr. PATTERSON. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Driver's license and things of that sort?

Mr. PATTERSON. Well, sometimes I would have them show me their driver's

license and that on top of their identification too, to make sure that

was the same person.

Mr. HUBERT. So, you stayed in that position I guess from about 9:30

until actually----

Mr. PATTERSON. Almost 12 o'clock, I believe.

Mr. HUBERT. After the killing--after the ambulance went through?

Mr. PATTERSON. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Had you been given any instructions as to how the transfer

was to take place?

Mr. PATTERSON. All they told me was that he would be transferred by

armored car and for me to stay on the right side of it--of the armored

car--as it was being backed in, and I stayed there.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, I have previously handed you another document which

I have marked for identification by writing on the margin as follows:

"Dallas, Texas, April 14, 1964, Exhibit 5312, Deposition of Patrolman

Bobby G. Patterson," and I have signed my name below.

Now, I show you that document?

Mr. PATTERSON. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. You have seen it and have read it?

Mr. PATTERSON. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. You consider that it is correct and states the truth?

Mr. PATTERSON. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you have any modifications or adjustments?

Mr. PATTERSON. It is about as true as I could get it.

Mr. HUBERT. No deletions or anything to add?

Mr. PATTERSON. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you know a man by the name of Larry Crafard?

Mr. PATTERSON. Who?

Mr. HUBERT. Larry Crafard or Curtis Laverne Crafard?

Mr. PATTERSON. No.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you have a telephone, sir?

Mr. PATTERSON. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. What is your telephone number, please?

Mr. PATTERSON. BRoadway 9-0394.

Mr. HUBERT. How long have you had that number?

Mr. PATTERSON. Oh, about--almost a year.

Mr. HUBERT. Are you familiar at all with the telephone number WH-2-5326?

Mr. PATTERSON. No, sir; I never heard tell of it.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you know a man by the name of Robert Carl Patterson,

also known as Bobby Patterson?

Mr. PATTERSON. No.

Mr. HUBERT. Your middle initial is "G" and that stands for what?

Mr. PATTERSON. Gene [spelling] G-e-n-e.

Mr. HUBERT. So that you are not a person by the name of Robert Carl

Patterson?

Mr. PATTERSON. No.

Mr. HUBERT. Have you ever lived at 902 East Waco Street, Dallas?

Mr. PATTERSON. No.

Mr. HUBERT. Mr. Patterson, I am going to show you a page in an exhibit

which has been re-marked, "Dallas, Texas, April 14, 1964, Exhibit 5308,

Deposition of Andrew Armstrong," on which I have signed my name, and

that same group of pages has also been marked Crafard Exhibit No. 5205,

in connection with the testimony of another witness?

On one of the pages thereof, I show you the number "WH-2-5326, Bobby

[spelling] B-o-b-b-y Patterson." Is that your handwriting?

Mr. PATTERSON. It isn't mine--no.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you know anything about that at all?

Mr. PATTERSON. I sure don't--I haven't heard tell of that number.

Mr. HUBERT. Have you been interviewed previous to this time by any

member of the Commission's staff?

Mr. PATTERSON. I never have.

Mr. HUBERT. Thank you; that's all.

Mr. PATTERSON. Okay.

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