Mr. HUBERT. You saw them three times? Three times they came down
Commerce?
Mr. MAYO. Came down--Commerce is one way going east, and they came down
on my side and they slowed down and stopped and asked me, "Has he come
down? Is anything happening?" And I would motion them on, because my
job was to keep the street open.
Mr. HUBERT. And that happened three times?
Mr. MAYO. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. And after the third time, what happened? Is that when the
shot was fired or something, or you didn't see them any more or----
Mr. MAYO. After--I didn't hear the shot, but the hustle and bustle
and noise in the basement, I looked down there and the men and all
going around and around. Everything--and I heard a little radio from
a pedestrian that said that Oswald had been shot, broadcast, and just
about that time, I saw them going down Commerce Street.
Mr. HUBERT. When you say "them," you mean the two men in the Fairlane
car?
Mr. MAYO. Yes, sir. They were just a little past the entrance when all
this commotion started.
Mr. HUBERT. That was the third trip?
Mr. MAYO. That was the third trip down. I went on down--went downstairs.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn't notice whether it was a Texas license or not; or
out of State?
Mr. MAYO. I didn't get a chance to see the license.
Mr. HUBERT. Ford Fairlane. Do you remember the color?
Mr. MAYO. Seemed to me like it was a blue, or light color of some kind.
Mr. HUBERT. Was it a sedan?
Mr. MAYO. It was a 4-door.
Mr. HUBERT. 4-door sedan? Hard top?
Mr. MAYO. Yes, sir; hard top.
Mr. HUBERT. What model, about? A new car? Could you give us some idea
about the model?
Mr. MAYO. It was a late model car.
Mr. HUBERT. Was it a 1964 model?
Mr. MAYO. No, no; it wasn't a 1964 model. If I was going to guess I
would say a 1962 or 1963--one. That man was hatless and he had a high
forehead.
Mr. HUBERT. He wasn't bald was he?
Mr. MAYO. I wouldn't say he was bald, just had a high forehead.
Mr. HUBERT. Was that the driver?
Mr. MAYO. That was the driver.
Mr. HUBERT. How was he dressed?
Mr. MAYO. He had on an old, old--looks like he had a heavy wool shirt
like you wear in the winter, long sleeves.
Mr. HUBERT. Have a tie on?
Mr. MAYO. No tie.
Mr. HUBERT. What color was the shirt? Do you remember?
Mr. MAYO. The shirt--it was kind of checked color.
Mr. HUBERT. Was he dark complected?
Mr. MAYO. He was dark complected.
Mr. HUBERT. How old a man?
Mr. MAYO. I would guess in the forties, just by looking at him, and I
have wondered since about his interest in it. Maybe just somebody that
was inquisitive and wanted to see what was going on.
Mr. HUBERT. Could be. On the other hand we want to get all the facts,
and that is a fact. What about the other man? Did you see him?
Mr. MAYO. I didn't pay much attention to him, because he was on the
other side and I was dealing with the driver. It was a one-way street,
and I was dealing with the driver over here and I didn't pay too much
attention to the other man. I couldn't even describe him.
Mr. HUBERT. How close do you suppose you were to this man each time he
drove up?
Mr. MAYO. Oh, I'd say 4 to 6 feet. See, my duty was to stand on the
sidewalk and keep the overflow of people--we had about 200 people, and
if I moved out, somebody on the sidewalk could go in behind me, and I
didn't get too far from the entrance of the----
Mr. HUBERT. I'm going to show you a set of pictures and ask if that man
there--look at them all first before you answer--bears any resemblance
at all to the man you saw?
Mr. MAYO. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Let the record show that the witness was looking at the
pictures of Curtis Lavern Crafard. What about the other man in the car?
Did he look like this fellow?
Mr. MAYO. Sir, I wasn't close enough to make any identification or
recognize him. He was on the other side and I wasn't able to.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, was there anything else that you want to state to us?
Mr. MAYO. No; I can't think of anything else, sir. It was all just--I'd
say, a state of commotion and confusion when this happened, and I had
people everywhere around me and I just assumed that they are curiosity
seekers. Making various comments about the assassination of a President.
Mr. HUBERT. I want to identify these pictures a little further. The
pictures that were shown to the witness were various views of a man
by the name of Curtis Lavern Crafard, taken November 28, 1963, by the
FBI, and forwarded to the Commission recently. All right, sir. Is
there anything else that you want to state about anything we have been
talking about?
Mr. MAYO. No; I can't think of anything else that would pertain to this
in any way and my work there. I was just on duty that morning and
doing the best I could, and I can't think of any other incident.
Mr. HUBERT. All right. Well, let me ask you this: Have you ever been
interviewed by me or any other member of the Commission at any time
except, of course, with this deposition?
Mr. MAYO. No, sir; I've not been interviewed by you.
Mr. HUBERT. About a moment ago we went off the record. Have we covered,
since we have been back on the record everything that you told me while
we were off the record?
Mr. MAYO. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. All right, sir. That is it. Thank you.
Mr. MAYO. I want to express my appreciation to you people. I think you
have done a fine job about investigating this thing, and I'm very happy
to cooperate with you. I hope that you are able to solve this thing
out and get it straight out, because I still think in my mind there
was something back of this, because too much confusion around these
entrances, and I, personally want to express my appreciation to every
one of you people.
Mr. HUBERT. What do you mean by "too much confusion"?
Mr. MAYO. Seemed to me like people standing around and looking around.
I don't know. People are funny. I have been working a long time. They
just move around.
Mr. HUBERT. You mean a lot of members of the public?
Mr. MAYO. Public; yes.
Mr. HUBERT. But, let me clarify one thing, did your remark intend to
say that the security methods weren't sufficient?
Mr. MAYO. No, sir; I think the security methods were very fine, but I
just wondered why the curiosity. I still wonder in my own mind. I don't
know. I wonder why so many people were down there?
Mr. HUBERT. Yes; well, I wanted to get that straight, because at first
I thought your remark might be construed by someone as being critical
of the security measures.
Mr. MAYO. No, sir; the security measures was, at this time, was very
good.
Mr. HUBERT. All right, thank you very much.
Mr. MAYO. Anything else?
Mr. HUBERT. No, sir; that's all.